follicept - what's this?

[Arashi]

It doesn't take graduate degrees to assume that there is a high likelihood that any baldness remedy won't work. You see, they have tried thousands of treatments and thus far they have all failed to produce satisfactory results in the overwhelming majority of patients. Even things that seems like space-age certain cures, such as Replicel and Aderans failed. Given that track record of thousands and thousands of treatment ideas failing and ZERO treatment ideas succeeding, it's reasonable for anyone to conclude that Follicept will likely fair. It would even be reasonable for a kindergartner to make the statement that based on past history it's more likely Follicept will fail than succeed. One doesn't need any college degree to fairly and correctly make that statement.

Wow. I thought I had seen it all and then I read this post from JarJarbinx that actually makes sense

Yeah, it's a pretty safe bet that this treatment will fail, just like all the others. We'll see soon enough though I guess.

Other than that, congratulations on ruining another thread with your repetition of your usual nonsense (apart from the one above, the very first JarJarbinx post, as far as I can remember, that actually made sense).

[Helix]

Still though...they've got to have some reason for faith. They watched the mice grow hair. Hell, maybe the people applying it to the mice noticed their own finger hairs getting darker and thicker.
I dunno though. It would really suck if it didn't work but I believe the Follicept team knows more than we do about the treatment and its potential. There's a reason for their confidence, for them putting together a website and ad campaign and reaching out to AGA sufferers.

I thought the same thing. Considering the way they advertise it, they are either naive, know something we don't, or like another poster said, blatant false advertisement.
That being said, I really appreciate open communication and forum discussion.

Thank you and good luck.

[Illusion]

here's my problem with the way this is panning out:

there's this assumption that, since follicept is not charging anyone and not even releasing the product unless they are satisfied with the results, there's no risk involved whatsoever, and if it doesn't work, there's no harm done. i disagree with that. i think coming to this forum and generating the kind of frenzy that's been generated here without knowing with absolute certainty that it works, and without even having the chief component of your treatment in your possession is a form of harm. "safe. effective. affordable." huh? why are you saying this if you don't know whether it works on humans? that's an unproven claim. it's blatant false advertisement.

and while the hypothetical failure of this product won't harm anyone financially, it's going to harm a hell of a lot of people psychologically. that's a big deal to me. i've been on this ride before, where you are checking the forums religiously for any updates, counting down the days, literally praying at night for the release of a product-- only to find out 3-4 months later that it doesn't work and you're still completely out of luck. it creates a sense of hopelessness and fear that you're never going to get your hair back, that nothing will ever work for you, that you're going to be ugly and miserable for the rest of your life.

putting that into the minds of some of the 17-year-old kids on this forum who are absolutely desperate for a safe and effective treatment is not professional. i appreciate the transparency of this company, i really do. i appreciate the efforts going into this treatment and i hope it works and we're all better off. but i just feel the need to point out that if it this doesn't work, it's not like some totally neutral moment, where everything is erased from our minds and we're in the exact same place we were before we knew about follicept. we're much worse off. we've expended serious emotional energy, we've hoped, we've prayed, and we've been let down yet again.

please keep this perspective in mind as you go forward with your endeavors. good luck.

A+ post, thanks for knocking some sense into me.

[Keki]

soon we will havesome news, i really can't wait to have some answers, we still have to know why we can expect some results in just a couple of weeks, that's important

[Clion1995]

Speaking on scientific terms and not in terms of failed baldness cures, one would have to prove them wrong through their own trials until they are done. Just because you're butt hurt about other trials failing doesn't mean you should try to shoot this down. I don't think anyone could come up with a reasonable percentage of its failure. It could either be a failure or success and no one will know until the trials are completed

[stayhopeful]

Assume whatever you want. But keep in mind that some assumptions only serve to make you seem unintelligent.

It doesn't take graduate degrees to assume that there is a high likelihood that any baldness remedy won't work. You see, they have tried thousands of treatments and thus far they have all failed to produce satisfactory results in the overwhelming majority of patients. Even things that seems like space-age certain cures, such as Replicel and Aderans failed. Given that track record of thousands and thousands of treatment ideas failing and ZERO treatment ideas succeeding, it's reasonable for anyone to conclude that Follicept will likely fair. It would even be reasonable for a kindergartner to make the statement that based on past history it's more likely Follicept will fail than succeed. One doesn't need any college degree to fairly and correctly make that statement.

This is most certainly a logical fallacy. What has happened in the past does not mean anything, logically speaking, of what happens in the future. So if you flip a coin 100 times, and it's tails every single time, it does not mean the probability is high the next time you flip the coin will be heads. It will still be 50/50

maybe some schooling would benefit you nameless, contrary to your message

[serenemoon]

I found this quote on another forum. Basically I interpret it to be saying that this guys tried legit igf-1 and it made his hat 'grow like crazy'

"Secondly in agreement with what Mr.Mister posted, every time I cycled real IGF(transport medium by injectioin ONLY-lypholized powder reconstituted before use then immediately frozen until ready to use-thaw and immediate inject) It made my hair come out like crazy!!!! 4 different cycles of it yeilded the same results for hair with with the other desired attributes losing effect because of antigen buildup."

Maybe there is something here


And I agree, getting injections regularly versus an at home topical is incomparable in terms of practicality and convenience

And some more...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1-gh/14345-igf-1-r3.html

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-6272.html

from above link - "Well this stuff is regrowing it and it is growing faster and thinker, and the hair that feel out it is comming back. It is vary apparent, casue people are asking me why my hair is getting thicker and thicker. I just tell them its the IGF and that is the only way"

[Clion1995]

"This is most certainly a logical fallacy. What has happened in the past does not mean anything, logically speaking, of what happens in the future. So if you flip a coin 100 times, and it's tails every single time, it does not mean the probability is high the next time you flip the coin will be heads. It will still be 50/50"

+++.

[bigentries]

This is most certainly a logical fallacy. What has happened in the past does not mean anything, logically speaking, of what happens in the future. So if you flip a coin 100 times, and it's tails every single time, it does not mean the probability is high the next time you flip the coin will be heads. It will still be 50/50

maybe some schooling would benefit you nameless, contrary to your message

Horrible use of statistics. Medical research is not a random numbers generator

And if you flip a coin 100 times and you get tails every single time, you would be a moron if you don't check it's rigged

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_coin

In science, "open mindeness" doesn't matters. The status quo remains unchanged until enough evidence has been provided against it

[tf2legend]

Horrible use of statistics. Medical research is not a random numbers generator

And if you flip a coin 100 times and you get tails every single time, you would be a moron if you don't check it's rigged

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_coin

In science, "open mindeness" doesn't matters. The status quo remains unchanged until enough evidence has been provided against it

I’m glad you brought up three key words science, evidence, and statistics.

So to address the first two, I’ll just simply ask you: “Isn't there enough scientific evidence out there that supports IGF-1?”

Oh, and since you also brought up “statistics” let me catch you up to date, specifically on the topic of independent events.

Follicept wouldn’t qualify as a dependent event, it is actually an “INDEPENDENT ONE”. Let me give you a little briefing on what that means

When two events are said to be independent of each other, what this means is that the probability that one event occurs in no way affects the probability of the other event occurring. An example of two independent events is as follows; say you rolled a die and flipped a coin. The probability of getting any number face on the die in no way influences the probability of getting a head or a tail on the coin.

Do you see where you fail at logic?

[stayhopeful]

Horrible use of statistics. Medical research is not a random numbers generator

And if you flip a coin 100 times and you get tails every single time, you would be a moron if you don't check it's rigged

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_coin

In science, "open mindeness" doesn't matters. The status quo remains unchanged until enough evidence has been provided against it

I'm not sure I follow you here.... i can't even tell what your point is. A for effort though

[Justinian]

People always complain about new "breakthrough" headlines about cancer, saying we've heard that a million times and cancer treatments still aren't that good. Well guess what, survival rates have skyrocketed in the last 5 years thanks to immunotherapy and targeted treatments. These treatments all exist because of the incremental increases in knowledge from years of research and studies. Androgenetic alopecia could very well be the same way.

[Arashi]

People always complain about new "breakthrough" headlines about cancer, saying we've heard that a million times and cancer treatments still aren't that good. Well guess what, survival rates have skyrocketed in the last 5 years thanks to immunotherapy and targeted treatments. These treatments all exist because of the incremental increases in knowledge from years of research and studies. Androgenetic alopecia could very well be the same way.

That's VERY far from the truth. Immunotherapy has been a huge disappointment so far. Most treatments increase life expectancy from for example 10 to 12 months and that's it. Biggest problem is that the cancer adapts quickly. So a patient progresses, cancer disappears, cancer comes back and then the immunotherapy doesnt work anymore and the patient dies, 2 months later than he'd die without the therapy.

Furthermore, for most cancers in the last 40 years almost no progress has been made and your changes of dying of cancer are pretty much the same as those from 40 years ago:

Though there has been significant progress in the understanding of cancer biology, risk factors, treatments, and prognosis of some types of cancer (such as childhood leukemia[2]) since the inception of the National Cancer Act of 1971, progress in reducing the overall cancer mortality rate has been disappointing.[5][30] Many types of cancer remain largely incurable (such as pancreatic cancer[38]) and the overall death rate from cancer has not decreased appreciably since the 1970s.[39] The death rate for cancer in the U.S., adjusted for population size and age, dropped only 5 percent from 1950 to 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Cancer

[Hairismylife]

Wow. I thought I had seen it all and then I read this post from JarJarbinx that actually makes sense

Yeah, it's a pretty safe bet that this treatment will fail, just like all the others. We'll see soon enough though I guess.

Other than that, congratulations on ruining another thread with your repetition of your usual nonsense (apart from the one above, the very first JarJarbinx post, as far as I can remember, that actually made sense).

You think it makes sense only because it aligns with your view.
You guys love to have it failed.

[Arashi]

You guys love to have it failed.

Yeah sure, we love being bald, that's why we're here.