follicept - what's this?

[Swooping]

Everyone who responded with an opinion acknowledged that there is potential. Tausif Alam specially said it is a growth promoter.

Not really that is only in your context what you like to see. He says exactly this; "There is some potential". Then suggests basically to wait for real evidence. Also with growth promoter he probably refers to it having impact on the AKT pathway, not to hair itself. Also then he follows with this;

"On the other hand given a $2B+ market share of a product that can probably be slipped through the crack of the FDA, I can see why someone might want to sell such a product which does nothing other than to mostly cater to human vanity"

You read what you want to read. So no nobody is acknowledging anything at all.

[serenemoon]

Not really that is only in your context what you like to see. He says exactly this; "There is some potential". Then suggests basically to wait for real evidence. Also with growth promoter he probably redirects to it having impact on the AKT pathway, not to hair itself. Also then he follows with this;



You read what you want to read. So no nobody is acknowledging anything at all.

Sorry professor Swooping. I suppose acknowledging that there is "some potential" does not count. I will keep that in mind. And the man is weighing both sides. I am not mad at that.

[FrenchNewbie]

You read what you want to read. So no nobody is acknowledging anything at all.

We have scientists who speak about Follicept. We read what we want to read, but they NEVER spoke about a possible "scam" from Dr. Hsu or Follicept. It is already a good news (versus the previous posts from two or three members -who are not scientists- on this topic...).

[Swooping]

Sorry professor Swooping. I suppose acknowledging that there is "some potential" does not count. I will keep that in mind. And the man is weighing both sides. I am not mad at that.

Your quote;

Nice to see other professionals with actual degrees seeing so much potential here and acknowledging that igf1 does I'm fact grow hair.

So no sorry, there is nobody who sees much potential. But "some" potential. Secondly nobody acknowledges IGF-1 does in fact grow hair, that comes out of your mouth. You are only creating hype, nothing more than that.

[serenemoon]

Your quote;


So no sorry, there is nobody who sees much potential. But "some" potential. Secondly nobody acknowledges IGF-1 does in fact grow hair, that comes out of your mouth. You are only creating hype, nothing more than that.

I am also including the guy who sees it as a breakthrough, but apparently he does not count in your book so....I suppose you see what you want to see too.

[Swooping]

I am also including the guy who sees it as a breakthrough, but apparently he does not count in your book so....I suppose you see what you want to see too.

Off course not, first of all he has 0 publications about hair follicle biology, his expertise lies in a total different field. So he probably doesn't know much about the pathology of AGA to start with. Also considering he refers too Dr. Hsu as "Steven" and Co-authored with him on various publications he knows him personally. What other response did you expect from him?

[serenemoon]

Off course not, first of all he has 0 publications about hair follicle biology, his expertise lies in a total different field. So he probably doesn't know much about the pathology of AGA to start with. Also considering he refers too Dr. Hsu as "Steven" and Co-authored with him on various publications he knows him personally. What other response did you expect from him?

You are right. That makes his opinion completely invalid. And certainly does not compare to the opinion of Swooping M.D./PhD. I thought Tausif meant growth promoter in the context of hair. Especially because he followed up with a "but" so idk.

[FrenchNewbie]

Please friends, don't feed the PhD troll. He will win if we continue and the topic will be closed. We don't want that.

I'm like you friends. I'm waiting like a crazy guy a small post of Devon, maybe a photo of him complitely shaven. So i psychologically need to post. I'm so impatient to see the results.

[nameless]

Even if IGF-1 turns out to be an effective treatment for hair loss there is still the issue that the Follicept method may not get enough IGF-1 into the follicles.

Follicept intends to use an extremely low dose.

[Gbalding]

Look, ask yourself, what would you do ? You have developed this new revolutionary system, that can bring large molecules through the dermis without them going systematic (or in such a small amount that it doesnt matter). This is gold. What do you do ? I wouldn't even have the TIME to visit a forum ! I would be calling every single pharma and hedge fund out there, talking to all of them, seeing which one wants to pay the most. But here's Devon, failed to attract any substantial investor, joining a forum for baldies to ... yeah that's still a mystery to me, what exactly.

I'd consider his activity here a part of the marketing function. He's speaking to the consumers directly to understand their needs and wants, so he can develop a product that they will buy. From reading this thread, I know that there will be customers who will buy it regardless, and some people who would need concrete scientific evidence to purchase it. Now, if he knows that there is a chance that this would work, he has to be able to position the company in a way where it meets as many people's expectations as possible. When the product launches, there will be accompanying marketing material to satisfy everyone and it's because he was able to reach out to us and essentially understand why we buy.

Huge pharmaceuticals do this with doctors, consumer goods companies do this with moms, and magazine publishers do this with readers; it is what goes on behind every product development life cycle.

A good marketer would probably tell you that this is the most important aspect of the process.

[FrenchNewbie]

+1000 Gbalding.

If they have already tested Follicept on some people (i think that, cause they are very confident, the website is done, a logo, etc, etc.), the best way is not to speak with big pharmas. They could buy your laboratory and your patents with millions but you'll never see this product on the market (or maybe in 10 years). You will not make history as the scientist who beat AAG, which is an exploit. And you will loose billions of dollars/euros.

If they are sure of what they do, they are in the best way to manage. The buzz will enlarge with months and finally we could see a new small pharma emerge under the name of Prometheon thanks to Follicept. After that, they will have money to develop a new way to live diabete or chemotherapy. I think Devon has win the first point. The next will be the test.

[Arashi]

I'd consider his activity here a part of the marketing function. He's speaking to the consumers directly to understand their needs and wants, so he can develop a product that they will buy. From reading this thread, I know that there will be customers who will buy it regardless, and some people who would need concrete scientific evidence to purchase it. Now, if he knows that there is a chance that this would work, he has to be able to position the company in a way where it meets as many people's expectations as possible. When the product launches, there will be accompanying marketing material to satisfy everyone and it's because he was able to reach out to us and essentially understand why we buy.

Huge pharmaceuticals do this with doctors, consumer goods companies do this with moms, and magazine publishers do this with readers; it is what goes on behind every product development life cycle.

A good marketer would probably tell you that this is the most important aspect of the process.

If all that were true, Devon would now have learned that there are 3 groups of people:

1) First group will buy the product based on promises. Period. No proof needed.
2) Second group will buy the product once they see some proof, regardless of whether they can verify the proof or know it's real proof or not.
3) Third group will only buy once they see solid proof, not supplied by the company itself, but from independent testers.

So, conclusion: do both the official trials and the forum trial and you'll sell to the whole world. Easy as that. We happy, they happy, everybody happy, one big party of happy hairy people

[stayhopeful]

If all that were true, Devon would now have learned that there are 3 groups of people:

1) First group will buy the product based on promises. Period. No proof needed.
2) Second group will buy the product once they see some proof, regardless of whether they can verify the proof or know it's real proof or not.
3) Third group will only buy once they see solid proof, not supplied by the company itself, but from independent testers.

So, conclusion: do both the official trials and the forum trial and you'll sell to the whole world. Easy as that. We happy, they happy, everybody happy, one big party of happy hairy people

Arashi, despite our differences, I can appreciate your dedication to the forum. I can tell you deep down really want it to work. Hope Follicept can make you optimistic again with some amazing evidence, which would change life as we know it for all of us

[FrenchNewbie]

@Arashi When it will be on market members can get it and your third group will know if they can buy it or not. If they don't want, they will wait. So you can wait if you want to wait more proof.

The first group doesn't exist on this topic. We are all waiting the first results before giving our money.

From my point of view, opinion of a member is not a solid proof at all. It's allways a biased opinion. As you can see in this forum, you will find some persons who recommand Fina or Duta or Minox or onion or tea or mint or garlic or FUT or FUE, etc, etc, etc. They are here after made some research and they have created their own point of view about hair subject. They will give their opinion about Follicept from a certain point of view and try to compare (and they will balance their opinion with the current hype).

Then, you have some people who are psychologically fragile (we will never know that... if a person don't want to say it). So if this product give just two new hair, it will be a revolution for them. Others are depressed with dismorphophobia. They will think the product doesn't work... but in fact it's working with a lot of new hair they can't see (in their mind). Clearly, opinions of forum members is not a solid proof. For the photos, you will have a patchwork of poor quality (not the same light, not the same camera, cropped differently).

And excuse me but... this forum is not the center of this world. I don't know why i will give credit to people i don't know (they can be historical here like you, i don't care). For a company it's totally different. If they are in US (like Prometheon/Follicept) and they lie, some people here can attack in justice. Their is a protection against lying in US i suppose. N.B: In our french justice we have that: "Délit de fausse nouvelle". I think it exists the same thing in US.

The only solid proof is a study with a large sample, followed by the doctor, with placebo, double blind, etc. And Devon said us that they will do it after the first trial (if it works). And after the first trial, we could get it via Indiegogo. I'm totally ok with that. If i'm conviced by the first results i will test it. If not, i will not buy it (and i trust them when they say that they will not sell Follicept if it doesn't work).

[tf2legend]

We need a new thread. The trolls have hijacked this one and it's tough to keep up with it.

Devon can you start a new thread with the video of you applying the gel starting the treatment

Thank you