Lets Get CB-03-01 DONE. We are SO close.

[Justinian]

If the acne product passes Phase III trials and is for sale, could that accelerate the hair loss product in any way since the chemical has already been deemed safe to use for topical use? I know Phase III is needed in order to determine efficacy, but could they sell CB for hair loss before that? They definitely wouldn't be able to advertise it for hair loss without Phase III, but would they have to finish the Phase III to sell it?

Also, will CB for hair or acne be available in Europe or anywhere else before the USA?

[hellouser]

Desmond and Hellouser are very well informed about these things. Their imputs and insights would be very important to start this project.

Any crowdfunding effort should be executed with the intent of a full cure. Anything short of that is a waste of the publics time. They won't donate to a petty treatment.

[Paul73]

Desmond and Hellouser are very well informed about these things. Their imputs and insights would be very important to start this project.

[inbrugge]

Put me down for crowdfunding. But, in terms of scienc or research, I'm not really well versed for that. I believe though there are others who are knowledgable on thay stuff on here.

[cthulhu2]

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

I am doubtful that they are not in a hurry, these things take a lot of time and cb is not their only drug that they are studying. Patents typically last 15 years and are initiated immediately when a firm begins studying a drug. Pharmaceutical companies try to get a product out asap before that patent expires, because the drug loses 95% of its value when generics come out. In fact, manufacturers are already producing large amounts of the drug before the patent even expires. People assume that other drugs like ru, asc-j9, neosh101 never made it because pharma companies are just lazy or didnt have enough funding. This is bs because a product that is effective and safe would have no trouble getting funding.

As a side note, if cb makes it to market it will be expensive as hell and not covered by insurance (cosmetic purposes).

[joachim]

Cool, I completely agree. What would be the search criteria for these labs? By that I mean what should I be looking for on Google before sending emails inquiring about our project? Something like "independent chemical testing lab"? Anything more specific?

i have absolutely no clue how to search for such a lab. but i think we have some members here who have more experience or more ideas how to find such a lab.

[TimJermaine]

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

Cool, I completely agree. What would be the search criteria for these labs? By that I mean what should I be looking for on Google before sending emails inquiring about our project? Something like "independent chemical testing lab"? Anything more specific?

[joachim]

I think they will release it, even if they only meet the same statistical success as propecia, in regards to stopping hairloss/promoting growth, because they state that there are products that work well, but the market needs something that works well and doesn't have dire side effects.

i hope so

[FearTheLoss]

yeah, that's true. but they set the priority for the acne product much higher.
and i'm frustrated because phase 2 still means many years of waiting, because phase 3 has to be done as well.
and what if CB doesn't lead to superior results? what if they can only reach the efficiency of minox or fin? they will say: hey, we already have fin and minox on the market, there's no need to make an expensive phase 3 and release the product then. they don't see how bad those existing treatments are for many people. even if CB has "only" the exact same efficiency like minox and fin, it's at least almost side-effect free (as far as we know.). but will they release it if it doesn't give much better results than fin or minox? i don't think so. they simply don't see the needs.
i wouldn't be surprised if cosmo decides to quit the hairloss product somewhen. currently, from all the info we have, it doesn't look like they will quit. but it's possible. and what then? we still have no solution and the waiting game for new treatments starts again from zero. wasted years.

I think they will release it, even if they only meet the same statistical success as propecia, in regards to stopping hairloss/promoting growth, because they state that there are products that work well, but the market needs something that works well and doesn't have dire side effects.

[joachim]

what do you mean "the seem not to be in a hurry"? They are in phase II trials and haven't had any set backs whatsoever.

yeah, that's true. but they set the priority for the acne product much higher.
and i'm frustrated because phase 2 still means many years of waiting, because phase 3 has to be done as well.
and what if CB doesn't lead to superior results? what if they can only reach the efficiency of minox or fin? they will say: hey, we already have fin and minox on the market, there's no need to make an expensive phase 3 and release the product then. they don't see how bad those existing treatments are for many people. even if CB has "only" the exact same efficiency like minox and fin, it's at least almost side-effect free (as far as we know.). but will they release it if it doesn't give much better results than fin or minox? i don't think so. they simply don't see the needs.
i wouldn't be surprised if cosmo decides to quit the hairloss product somewhen. currently, from all the info we have, it doesn't look like they will quit. but it's possible. and what then? we still have no solution and the waiting game for new treatments starts again from zero. wasted years.

[FearTheLoss]

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

what do you mean "the seem not to be in a hurry"? They are in phase II trials and haven't had any set backs whatsoever.

[joachim]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

yes, totally agreed. we could hire a competent lab which creates a nice vehicle. i don't think this is rocket science. for chemical labs such a task is relatively easy i guess. if it takes 50.000 dollars to pay the lab then why not? this would be easily crowdfunded by us. we wouldn't have to wait on cosmo. who knows how long cosmo will take. it can be 3 years, but it can also be 5 years or even longer. they seem not to be in a hurry. so screw them. we should have CB by NOW.

[Paul73]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

yes, i agree. I think the first step is to test the purity of CB from Kane and from Iron Dragon. If their substances are not the real CB, we will have to wait for Cosmos product for acne and then find a way to adapt it to the scalp since the absorption is different.

Does it make sense? Sorry for my english.

[hairbackpls]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?

+1

[TimJermaine]

I think we should compile a list of independent labs that would be willing to test the polarity of CB or help us find a vehicle by testing absorption. Anyone else agree?