adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[nliyan25]

This thing?

this is different than what this thread is about. you can have similar to the link you quoted done for 2500$ in boston. this is the link to the clinic.http://www.nehair.com/stem-cells check this thread there are others in los angeles and arizona I posted a link to before. but seriously I believe stem cells treatment should be repeated in 2-4 weeks intervals and at 2500$ it is a rip off not mention travelling and hotel costs. any results from this treatment once will be minimal. I expect complete hair loss stoppage but little gain similar to acell+prp (check this lnik for pics http://prasadcosmeticsurgery.com/pra...r-restoration/) and then hair loss might kick back in like a year or so. looking at the pictures the results are impressive but more frequent treatments will yield far better results.any how any one wants to try this he/she should take before and after pics himself to monitor progress. doctors will play with light to make results better.

anyhow, guys I'll buy this AAPE for 1000$ after the summer. i hope they sell it to individuals and not limited to clinics. also will buy the thing hellouser put a link to which is called tappy tok tok from ebay as delivery system. I'll keep you updated but again after the summer I ll begin my treatment and I ll try to follow the study protocol as close as possible(depth, area treated , dosage/cm2 anything else).

Is this the delivery system you mean?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tappy-Tok-Tok-Wrinkle-Reducer-FACIAL-REJUVENATION-DEVICE-Anti-Aging-treatments-/191082505087

[hgs1989]

anyone live near switzerland and want to investigate this?

this is different than what this thread is about. you can have similar to the link you quoted done for 2500$ in boston. this is the link to the clinic.http://www.nehair.com/stem-cells check this thread there are others in los angeles and arizona I posted a link to before. but seriously I believe stem cells treatment should be repeated in 2-4 weeks intervals and at 2500$ it is a rip off not mention travelling and hotel costs. any results from this treatment once will be minimal. I expect complete hair loss stoppage but little gain similar to acell+prp (check this lnik for pics http://prasadcosmeticsurgery.com/pra...r-restoration/) and then hair loss might kick back in like a year or so. looking at the pictures the results are impressive but more frequent treatments will yield far better results.any how any one wants to try this he/she should take before and after pics himself to monitor progress. doctors will play with light to make results better.

anyhow, guys I'll buy this AAPE for 1000$ after the summer. i hope they sell it to individuals and not limited to clinics. also will buy the thing hellouser put a link to which is called tappy tok tok from ebay as delivery system. I'll keep you updated but again after the summer I ll begin my treatment and I ll try to follow the study protocol as close as possible(depth, area treated , dosage/cm2 anything else).

[bananana]

anyone live near switzerland and want to investigate this?

+1
I'm very interested in this. I would have the treatment myself, but I've recently dumped a lot of money into opening my software company, so...

[comb0ver]

you can get it done here.

http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html

anyone live near switzerland and want to investigate this?

[downandout]

you can get it done here.

http://www.arsmedical.info/template-features/autologus-stem-cells.html

[zeos]

the one in switzerland who offers the treatments

i thought the clinic was in vienna

[nameless]

Sorry, I'm getting a little confused. Spoke with who? The Korean lab, or the company that sells the ready made?

I'm with you. I'm getting confused too.

We stared out talking about a study done by a specific group of people. Now we appear to be talking about different groups offering a similar treatment but not the exact same treatment that's in the study. I think we need to get back to the study and find a way to contact the people who did the study and talk to them about going to them for the treatment.

[Alias123]

the one in switzerland who offers the treatments

[maomao]

Ok so i have been talking with them now and its looking like i will have a treatment within one month, i will ofcourse update you if i get any results, even though it will take a while to see.
Swooping= do you really think that this is a complete waste of money?
and one further question, im currently only using propecia and that hasent managed to stop my loss completley, im still loosing ground in the frontal area, but if i would do this treatment and focus on the front, would it in any way contribute to halting my loss?

Sorry, I'm getting a little confused. Spoke with who? The Korean lab, or the company that sells the ready made?

[nameless]

Alias, with all due respect, there's no point asking swooping, no-one will know, as the treatment isn't yet widely used.
The research produced is hopeful though, even though the process isn't exactly the same, so that should help you make your decision.
I too have said that I would like the treatment with them, and now trying to work out a suitable consultation date.

On another note, and this is directed to everyone looking at this thread;

I have been in contact with a number of labs (mainly in europe) who take stem cells from your adipose tissue sample (which you send them) and will then cultivate the stem cells under hypoxic conditions (as documented in the research by Fukuoka). They will then extract the secreted growth factors and provide in return a lyophilised product, which you then mix with some sort of reagent to then inject.

I would like to know how many people are interested in doing this, providing they are able to find somewhere to take a fat sample, pack it up and send it (which in theory shouldn't be too difficult), and send it to the lab.
This is of course not likely to be that cheap, but given enough people interested, I can make contact and determine how well equipped the lab is and whether they can lower the cost of their production.
There shouldn't be any problem with this from a legal standpoint, as they are your cells and your growth factors, and ultimately your decision.

IF there is reasonable interest, by which I mean pushing towards the hundred mark, then I will make an effort to organise it.
Please note, before you get your hopes up, I'm not making any promises - if there isn't enough interest or I can't organise this with a lab, then it won't come off.

Has anyone gotten in touch with Fukuoka? It would be best if we could go to his lab/clinic and have it done by him and his team since they are the ones who did it in the study. They did it exactly right and we should have them do it. We need to go to the doctors involved in the study below and have them do the exact same thing to us.

http://www.balancehairrestoration.com/wp-content/uploads/using-proteins-secreted-by-adipose-derived-stem-cells.pdf

This is the way to do this.

[moleular]

Alias, with all due respect, there's no point asking swooping, no-one will know, as the treatment isn't yet widely used.
The research produced is hopeful though, even though the process isn't exactly the same, so that should help you make your decision.
I too have said that I would like the treatment with them, and now trying to work out a suitable consultation date.

On another note, and this is directed to everyone looking at this thread;

I have been in contact with a number of labs (mainly in europe) who take stem cells from your adipose tissue sample (which you send them) and will then cultivate the stem cells under hypoxic conditions (as documented in the research by Fukuoka). They will then extract the secreted growth factors and provide in return a lyophilised product, which you then mix with some sort of reagent to then inject.

I would like to know how many people are interested in doing this, providing they are able to find somewhere to take a fat sample, pack it up and send it (which in theory shouldn't be too difficult), and send it to the lab.
This is of course not likely to be that cheap, but given enough people interested, I can make contact and determine how well equipped the lab is and whether they can lower the cost of their production.
There shouldn't be any problem with this from a legal standpoint, as they are your cells and your growth factors, and ultimately your decision.

IF there is reasonable interest, by which I mean pushing towards the hundred mark, then I will make an effort to organise it.
Please note, before you get your hopes up, I'm not making any promises - if there isn't enough interest or I can't organise this with a lab, then it won't come off.

[Alias123]

Ok so i have been talking with them now and its looking like i will have a treatment within one month, i will ofcourse update you if i get any results, even though it will take a while to see.
Swooping= do you really think that this is a complete waste of money?
and one further question, im currently only using propecia and that hasent managed to stop my loss completley, im still loosing ground in the frontal area, but if i would do this treatment and focus on the front, would it in any way contribute to halting my loss?

[hgs1989]

I've looked at most of these before trying to figure out a way to deliver CB, I also believe that these would improve a variety of topical treatments. I've been having a difficult time understanding this thread, are growth factors or stem cells used in this treatment? Or both?

it is growth factors that are used. they are produced by culturing fat stem cells.

[Kudu]

Swooping,

What if you were to use the dermapen that deposited a topical? SAGA has a thread on it, check these out;

http://viya.en.alibaba.com/product/1501145531-212416527/VY_799_derma_roller_electric_roller_massager.html

http://www.novanewface.com/product-3-3-298.html

http://www.dermica.ch/en/products/transversal/automeso.php

http://www.amazon.com/Therapy-Delivery-Tappy-TokTok-Professional/dp/B00CPBY7M4/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

http://www.ubiomed.co.kr/base/eng/product/product_01.php

http://www.adminmed.com/adminpen600

I've looked at most of these before trying to figure out a way to deliver CB, I also believe that these would improve a variety of topical treatments. I've been having a difficult time understanding this thread, are growth factors or stem cells used in this treatment? Or both?

[hellouser]

Swooping,

What if you were to use the dermapen that deposited a topical? SAGA has a thread on it, check these out;

http://viya.en.alibaba.com/product/1501145531-212416527/VY_799_derma_roller_electric_roller_massager.html

http://www.novanewface.com/product-3-3-298.html

http://www.dermica.ch/en/products/transversal/automeso.php

http://www.amazon.com/Therapy-Delivery-Tappy-TokTok-Professional/dp/B00CPBY7M4/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

http://www.ubiomed.co.kr/base/eng/product/product_01.php

http://www.adminmed.com/adminpen600