adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[hgs1989]

yes but the hair was a human one. every thing was derived from human source and implanted on a nude mouse.

the good news about ADSC is that replicel posted awhile ago about the fda speeding the approval process. http://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index....cine-products/

[nameless]

Dr. Gardner works for Dr. Jahoda. Dr. Gardner explained to us the following:

* Jahoda is now starting to add ADSCs to his cell culturing with hair cells so that the growth factors in ADSC will help the follicles form and enlarge.

Now think about this:

* The Swiss company is adding ADSCs to our hair cells so in our scalps and to the follicles in our scalps so that the growth factors in ADSC will help new follicles form and enlarge the already existing follicles in our scalps.

If you stop to think about it what the Swiss are doing, adding these adipose derived stem cells to our scalps, is the same thing that Jahoda is doing except that Jahoda is doing it in a petri-dish whereas the Swiss would do it in our scalps. The Swiss are bypassing the need to create follicles in a pertri-dish outside the person's body.

And Jahoda's petri-dish method is going to be way more complicated and way more expensive because you are having to create follicles in a petri-dish whereas the Swiss way utilizes the follicles that are already present in your own scalp. And in Jahoda's petri-dish method you would have to rely on the artistry of the doctor who implants the petri-dish follicles into your scalp. If you do it the Swiss way instead then the already existing follicles in your scalp could enlarge and they would probably articulate (grow outward) the same way they did naturally before hair loss started.

[hgs1989]

That study was done on mice.

Would be nice if these 'compassionate' researchers did something meaningful... you know, like do research on humans rather than ****ing mice?

yes but the hair was a human one. every thing was derived from human source and implanted on a nude mouse.

[nameless]

you are right. I personally asked Dr.Gardner about the use of Gf for hair and he said they would work but stability and adjacent cells effects might be a concern.

HGS1989 check this out: since Jahoda is now using a construct that let's him add these same adipose derived stem cells to DP cells to create and enlarge follicles this means that if we get these adipose derived stem cells injections (Swiss clinic or greece clinic or Vienna clinic) we would be doing the same thing that Jahoda is doing, except that we would be doing it in our scalps whereas Jahoda is doing it in a petri-dish.

Let me say it again. Check this out:

* Jahoda is adding these cells to dp cells so he can grow and enlarge follicles.

* We would be putting these cells into our scalps to enlarge the existing follicles that are already in our scalps.

* This means we would be doing the same thing that Jahoda is doing except we would be doing it in the skin of our scalps instead of inside a petri-dish.



Also, an important note is that the Yale scientists discovered that the adipose precursor cells excrete 100 times as much of some growth factors as regular fat cells excrete. By injecting pure precursor cells (adipose derived stem cells) you are injecting 100 times more growth factors as you would if you just injected regular fat cells. So the key to this is to add the precursor fat cells, aka adipose derived stem cells so that you can bomb the follicles with the growth factors.

[Jasari]

Pls elaborate with details? I was unaware that he has done things to garner a reputation like this.

Also, why does Spencer vouch for him then ?

I don't extensively know all the ins & outs of the hair loss industry but I've been on & off these boards for the better part of 5-6 years & I've even noticed Zeiring advertising/supporting some bogus bs.

I've also got the impression that Spencer is more about money than progress, especially after listening to a few radio podcasts.

[hairandthere]

I don't take Zeiring seriously at all. This dude has his name slapped on every hair treatment known to man. Nothing he's done has been better than a simple stone aged hair transplant.

Are you implying that he lied about testing Histogen on humans? AFAIK, he claimed this on the show with Spencer and said that he hoped to be able to share some results in the future.

While a lot of the stuff you say is accurate, some of it is emotional and truth gets lost when that happens.

Let's try to stay positive and constructive.

As Wu-Tang puts it, C.R.E.A.M. In the end, money rules all and there are huge profits to be made in hairloss. If a treatment existed with the confidence that it would provide a good ROI, you can bet your ass it would be fast-tracked by those with the money and the connections! We're only getting closer...

[nameless]

Just to Make things clear with laws etc, the Swiss clinic you are all talking about is located in Greece, not Switzerland

Why are you saying that the Swiss clinic is in Greece? Are you saying that there is no ADSC clinic in Switzerland?

[nameless]

I have a phone consultation scheduled tomorrow with the clinic in Greece, anyone have any questions you want me to ask?

Alias I have questions for you to ask but I can't figure out who you're going to see. You said there were two clinics. You said one is in Vienna and the other is Swiss. Now you're saying the one is in Greece. So it looks like maybe now you are talking about 3 clinics (one is Vienna, one in Greece, and one in Switzerland) but I can't tell. You're not making your statements clear.

Is the ARS clinic and the Dr. Heinrich clinic the same clinic or are they different?

At the top of the ARS website it says they are in Switzerland. Are you saying that they aren't really in Switzerland?

Could you please clear some things up because you appear to be talking about 3 different clinics (Switzerland, Vienna, and Greece), and the different clinics have different names (ARS clinic & Dr. Heinrich clinic) but you also say they are both the same clinic just in different locations. If they're both Dr. Heinrich clinics then why are you saying that one of the clinics is called ARS? If they're both Dr. Heinrich clinics then they should both be called Dr. Heinrich clinics.

Would you please stop and think before you post and clear up where these clinics are and the names of the clinic.

[hellouser]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20956069

Application of mesenchymal stem cells(MSC) derived from bone marrow and umbilical cord in human hair multiplication.

they took MSC cultured then in a special medium (hydrocortisone and HGF) and injected them in mice and the result is that they induced hair follicle formation on nued mice. keep in mind that MSC can also be obtained from fat tissue (another name is adipose derived stem cells). opens the Idea of hair growth and new hair formation if Fat stem cells combined with prp and hydrocortisone(already used for Alopecia areata) rather than Acell+prp. since it can be done using the patient's own cells , it is achievable now.
Alias123 if you are going for your next treatment , you can combine both.

That study was done on mice.

Would be nice if these 'compassionate' researchers did something meaningful... you know, like do research on humans rather than ****ing mice?

[nameless]

I believe that Ziering UK have been conducting clinical trials on Adipose stem cell this year, and are looking to start providing this treatment following a successful trial.

Could you please provide a source to prove this?

[hgs1989]

Intresting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20956069

Application of mesenchymal stem cells(MSC) derived from bone marrow and umbilical cord in human hair multiplication.

they took MSC cultured then in a special medium (hydrocortisone and HGF) and injected them in mice and the result is that they induced hair follicle formation on nued mice. keep in mind that MSC can also be obtained from fat tissue (another name is adipose derived stem cells). opens the Idea of hair growth and new hair formation if Fat stem cells combined with prp and hydrocortisone(already used for Alopecia areata) rather than Acell+prp. since it can be done using the patient's own cells , it is achievable now.
Alias123 if you are going for your next treatment , you can combine both.

[hellouser]

Pls elaborate with details? I was unaware that he has done things to garner a reputation like this.

He's on television selling all sorts of crappy treatments. Even tried to sell the laser helmet;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQF8--8hRTo

You'd never see Dr. Jahoda, Lauster, Cotsarelis or Christiano selling this kind of shit.

Also, why does Spencer vouch for him then ?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[PaddyBateman]

I don't take Zeiring seriously at all. This dude has his name slapped on every hair treatment known to man. Nothing he's done has been better than a simple stone aged hair transplant.

Pls elaborate with details? I was unaware that he has done things to garner a reputation like this.

Also, why does Spencer vouch for him then ?

[hellouser]

Haha, oh come on.

Spencer Kobren would disagree somewhat.

And it's the UK clinics as far as I know.

I don't take Zeiring seriously at all. This dude has his name slapped on every hair treatment known to man. Nothing he's done has been better than a simple stone aged hair transplant.

[hgs1989]

Myself. I had surgery there. Ive discussed it in my several post-op check ups.

nice. would you give us more details?