WCHR 2014 Presentations (Community-funded)

[toretto]

As always..from the stars to the Stables..so disappointing..

[hellouser]

how come Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg cant be balding.. We need their kinda funds to get this thing going..

Steve Jobs was bald. He didn't help the cause. Many celebrities are bald and they haven't helped the cause either.

There's a reason:

They don't want to show inferiority/insecurity as it most often jeopardizes their career. They're celebrities for a reason... and usually the ones still on the big screen while bald dont care much as baldness has benefitted them; Bruce Willis, Ben Kingsley, Vin Diesel, etc.

[nameless]

Elon definitely had a hair transplant... thats without question. He could fund every hair loss initiative from Histogen to Dr. Lauster's team with his pocket change.

Desmond are the researchers disclosing how they culture dp cells and epithelial cells while preserving ALL hair inductivity/trichogenicity?????

[Almostthere]

I don't know why everyone is so dissapointed. I think this is great news. Yes, many ppl want a bridge in between the next 6 yrs but the fact the companies aren't trying to release anything but a full cure is great. It means that they know it's coming soon and don't want to risk releasing a half-uknowwhat product. That ends up being completely worthless in 10 yrs. Im excited.

[hellouser]

I don't know why everyone is so dissapointed. I think this is great news. Yes, many ppl want a bridge in between the next 6 yrs but the fact the companies aren't trying to release anything but a full cure is great. It means that they know it's coming soon and don't want to risk releasing a half-uknowwhat product. That ends up being completely worthless in 10 yrs. Im excited.

I agree with this in a way; better to have a full solution rather than a half baked one.

HOWEVER, I'd pay for results of any kind right now anyway.... anything for me to hold onto what I have until that day comes. I cannot imagine my life being garbage for another 10 years.

[artika]

Desmond,

First of all, thanks for all your efforts, you are great man!

Secondly, do you think that Dr. Lauster's method could benefit those suffering from DUPA, i don't yet know if I do, but I would feel safer if it would be curable (in some time)

[ytterligare]

Nice to hear that the cure is definetely here in 10 years, but we're all pissed. Something HAS to happen NOW!

[sdsurfin]

Nice to hear that the cure is definetely here in 10 years, but we're all pissed. Something HAS to happen NOW!

this forum is ridiculous. Who said that the cure is definitely here in ten years? How can that even be inferred? From what I've read, there's nothing but more frustration and decades to wait for anything cosmetically useful. Propecia has stopped anyone from developing a safer alternative, because it's hard to get funding. Follicle -creating stem cell options are retardedly far away and need to go through extensive testing even once they are fully realized. Cotsarellis didn't have anything good to say. Just because a lot of research into stem cells is being done doesn't mean that this has absolutely any impact on the lives of men who are not in their teens right now. Sure, if you're that young then the odds of you hitting your thirties without something positive coming to market are slim, but for the rest of us none of this is good news. Especially the fact that these guys can't get it together to raise 2 mil or even 20 mil, these are paltry sums in the grand scheme of things.

I think the next initiative that this forum should undertake is to work with someone like cotsarellis to find decent funding. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like elon musk was willing to throw down 20 mil on a cure if he sat down with someone like cotsarellis and hashed out the realities. How can we help connect these people?

Also, it's taking dr. xu ages to get back to me about crowdfunding, and Desmond, is there any way you can email cotsarellis and ask him if there's any way he'd be down to do a similar crowdfunding effort? I really think all we would need is to have him on video saying that 2 million would provide a better treatment than propecia, and we could easily raise the money. I don't think he would even need to go into specifics, he has enough credibility in the public sphere.

[Haircure]

I'm not as convinced as everyone else here that this is good news for the following reasons:

1. As far as I know he is the only doctor in the world who WAS willing to try these cell treatments on us early. I think that by shutting him down we have cut off our nose to spite our face.

2. People blame Nigam for not producing GREAT WOW results, but was that really his fault? Keep in mind that when he was doing cell treatments (months ago) he did not yet have the information how to culture DP cells while maintaining ALL hair inductivity. Desmond just got done telling us that the researchers who have had this information have been keeping it secret so we know that Nigam did not have the information. For all we know that is the only reason why Nigam's cell treatments did not work. For all we know if Nigam was still on board with us he could add new information (dp culture while maintaining hair inductivity) and he could start curing our hair loss now instead of us having to wait 8 years.

But we killed that possibility. Lovely. So now we can call wait 8 years for a cure.

Wow just wow, here's a guy who is a scammer and yet you still want him to work scamming others just so he might with the slimmest Of chances produce actual results? Man you must be either really depressed or couldn't care less about other peoples sufferings, you do realize people aren't upset he didn't produce WOW results, it was because he didn't produce any and in fact did the opposite and ending up wasting people's money, depleting donor, and negatively affecting their health. So nameless please next time consider actually thinking about what you say before you type

[jpm14]

So they need only 2 million to have something better than the big 2 and they would take over a billion dollar industry and then have enough money to complete the complete cure and who knows the kind of money that would make ... Am I missing something here?

[Almostthere]

Jpm14,

Yes, it appears we are all missing something here. He knows something that we all don't. He's more familiar with the industry, knows the initial cost (which i doubt is just $2 million) and prob realizes though his product is better, it prob isn't significantly better than fin or minox. He prob wants to use the money he can get to create an absolute cure.

First, I'm in business development. A client that we have is producing a simple cleaning chemical that will be sold in walmart and costco. The initial shelf space cost, 60day advanced inventory and marketing will cost him $500k. That is just a simple product. Doubt it's just $2million.

There's obviously a reason why he can't get funding but replicel can. Think lauster, or asian companies stand a better chance.

[bigentries]

2 or 20 million dollars to have a better treatment than both finasteride and minoxidil would make a LOT of money. You have to underestimate the desperation for balding men and how much money is currently being spent on products that dont work IF you believe its not worth putting out even a slightly superior product.

The revenue they would make would definitely be able to cover the costs for ongoing trials including FGF-9.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Even something similar to minox is a gold mine, there is no reason why they couldn't get even $200 millions easily
They probably don't have anything tangible at this point, it's just an hypothesis

[Sogeking]

I agree with this in a way; better to have a full solution rather than a half baked one.

HOWEVER, I'd pay for results of any kind right now anyway.... anything for me to hold onto what I have until that day comes.

I'm with you on this.
First I am really glad that we managed to get together and fund Desmond to go and talk to various researchers in the field and see what is going on.
Yes, in 10+ years there is a cure coming but still for a lot of us in twenties and on this is not so encouraging, we don't want to wait for 10+ years. Something that would at least stop our hair loss would be a godsend.

I am down for crowdfunding Dr. Xu or Dr. Cotsarelis. In the mean time so far only CB and Replicel appear to be as some treatments coming before the end of the decade. And I am not too excited about their effectiveness.

I believe that in the short term it would be better if someone manages to get donor regeneration to some degree viable in HTs. That would be awesome until the full cure comes.

[nameless]

Wow just wow, here's a guy who is a scammer and yet you still want him to work scamming others just so he might with the slimmest Of chances produce actual results? Man you must be either really depressed or couldn't care less about other peoples sufferings, you do realize people aren't upset he didn't produce WOW results, it was because he didn't produce any and in fact did the opposite and ending up wasting people's money, depleting donor, and negatively affecting their health. So nameless please next time consider actually thinking about what you say before you type

I disagree with you. I saw patients who were injected with Dr. Nigam cells treatments who got modest regrowth. You are in fact wrong.

Also, you say he was scamming but was he really? He was selling a treatment that is lawful in the country where he practices - India. Since it's lawful that means it was not a scam.

Minoxidil does not work well. Do you call minoxidil a scam? Of course not. Propecia does not work well. Do you call propecia a scam? Of course not. Minoxidil are no less a scam than Dr. Nigam's cell treatments are a scam. It's the same thing because none of these treatments get good results but they are all approved for use in the country where they are used. Dr. Nigam is using lawfully treatments in the country where he practices. If it's a scam for Dr. Nigam to use cell treatments (where it's lawfully approved to do so) then it's equally a scam for doctors to give out minoxidil or propecia anywhere since they don't work well either.

[nameless]

Hahaha Arashi its a pleasure my man Finally getting a clear picture of where we are is truly interesting.

I actually asked exactly the same question from Dr Atac/Linder. We discussed Tsuji teams work and Dr Jahoda/Christiano. Their answer was very intriguing indeed and made me realise how far along they are. I'll let you know what they said once they give me the green light.

I got the answers to that question and it is VERY positive indeed albeit we are not there yet but very close.

Desmond is there someplace where these researchers will release a study depicting how they are culturing dp/epithelial cells while maintaining ALL hair induction/trichogenicity. I would like to see the recipe for how this is done. Is it possible to see that somewhere? Are these presentations put into a public journal and do they reveal all of the *how-to* information?