WCHR 2014 Presentations (Community-funded)

[HairBane]

We're going to need a 'bridging' option until then. It's 2014 with another 6-9 years before we can sniff a cure to this disease. Pilofocus + CB should hold the fort until then... In the meantime Histogen needs to get off its ass and Follica's final Phase III trial needs to commence right now.

I was thinking the same thing. Damn, both Histogen and Follica are 1 phase of trial away from releasing their products. Thinking about it, if Follica (using wounding + lithium) can generate thin/vellus hair, maybe HSC would work well with that - http://youtu.be/_pUK7qRHfSU?t=10m50s . That would be a perfect bridge to a full cure. Anyway, it looks like Follica are pretty much where we thought they were, but I'm surprised they don't have funding.

Hope you're enjoying your trip Desmond, well done so far.

[Aik82]

I like the optimism but to me this is a Waterloo. Sorry. But we went from "we can consistently create new hair follicles" in June 2013 to "things are on hold because we can't find $2 million".

Follica was supposed to be much closer than this. They were supposed to be testing fgf9 on humans by now, evaluating clinical trials for this method.

These Germans are 3-4 years away from a phase 1 clinical trial.

Damn.

I TOTALLY agree with you, man. Looks like the old "5 years away" are back in fashon. Nothing on the horizon. We will all get a total bald head before anything comes through guys.

F*ck it.

[hellouser]

I TOTALLY agree with you, man. Looks like the old "5 years away" are back in fashon. Nothing on the horizon. We will all get a total bald head before anything comes through guys.

F*ck it.

That's why I mentioned the bridging option. Whether a cure is out now or in 5 years, 10 years, whatever... its going to be costly so a bridging solution will cost you as well, it won't make a difference. You'll have the next X number of years to save your pennies for a future PERMANENT treatment.

Like I said, Histogen, Follica, CB and RU to hold us for the future treatment wouldn't be too terrible IF they work as they say they do.

[35YrsAfter]

There may already be a preventive cure for MPB. All of the current effective hair loss products are simply repackaged solutions to other medical problems. If I had invested countless hours of research and a great deal of money into a product that shows promise of being more effective than finasteride or dutasteride, I wouldn't show my hand.

Who knows, the building blocks for a preventive cure may already exist. My gut tells me it's an existing medication that just needs to be legally repackaged before anyone can sell it. For instance a future topical formula that includes TM30089 could possibly stop male pattern baldness in its tracks if a guy destined to become a Norwood 6 begins applying it when he reaches puberty.

many different approaches.

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I find it hard to believe they have something promising going on if they have troubles with funds

$20 millions is nothing in the medicine world. Unless he means it still requires a lot of research, which means it isn't a safe investment

[hellouser]

Also, audio & video quality of the talks seem very good. I'm having a bit of trouble with transferring it into premiere pro to edit the videos. I may have to take the videos back to Oz and ask my friends to help me with the editing in which case you guys may have to wait at least another week to watch them. I'm really sorry about that but this whole codec formats and frames pr second options are like a foreign language to me lol

How big are your original files and which format? If you need help with the files, let me know, I have an FTP served I can give you access to and can get the files exported for everyone to see via youtube.

[hellouser]

I find it hard to believe they have something promising going on if they have troubles with funds

$20 millions is nothing in the medicine world. Unless he means it still requires a lot of research, which means it isn't a safe investment

2 or 20 million dollars to have a better treatment than both finasteride and minoxidil would make a LOT of money. You have to underestimate the desperation for balding men and how much money is currently being spent on products that dont work IF you believe its not worth putting out even a slightly superior product.

The revenue they would make would definitely be able to cover the costs for ongoing trials including FGF-9.

[Aik82]

That's why I mentioned the bridging option. Whether a cure is out now or in 5 years, 10 years, whatever... its going to be costly so a bridging solution will cost you as well, it won't make a difference. You'll have the next X number of years to save your pennies for a future PERMANENT treatment.

Like I said, Histogen, Follica, CB and RU to hold us for the future treatment wouldn't be too terrible IF they work as they say they do.

Hellouser, you're right.

I would ONLY spend my money (even a big amount of them) in something that will provide a definitive and permanent solution. I want my head FULL of hair again. That's the cure we are all waiting for in this thread.

The rest is BS. I don't wanna look like a doll or have something that will make me feel unconfortable.

I am losing my optimism, guys. I am just happy to read you here.

[locke999]

Honestly, I was hoping Follica would come out with something within the next 5 years so I don't take any of this as good news.

2020-2023 is a while away and that is just an optimistic timeline.

[downandout]

how come Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg cant be balding.. We need their kinda funds to get this thing going..

[nameless]

To Bosox and all of our members who are desperately waiting for a solution:

Guys I have said for well over 2 years now, we will not have a full blown cure as you would call it until early 2020's. That is due to the rigorous studies that is necessary to be conducted in order to prove safety and efficacy. These studies can take between 5-8 years and are quite expensive.

Our goal in terms of attending this conference was to see where the scientific community stands at this point in time and if we are on the right path to have a solution to AGA by 2020-2023. So far, all the signals point to a big YES and we should be really excited about that.

Apart from doing everything we can to support these scientists all we can do is live our lives to the fullest and have an optimistic vision of the future.

So don't lose all hope and join in dscussions whenever you feel like having a chat...

I also have some insight into why Aderans failed to achieve any impressive results and it was very much along the lines of what we had speculated on the forum. I'll post more about that when I get a chance...

Cheers guys. Another big day tomorrow.

Goodnght

So then desmond are you saying that they have all of the basic resarch done and all that's left is the clinical trials? It sounds like that is what you are saying because if they can culture epithelial + DP and maintain ALL hair inductivity then that sounds like a basic cure that just needs the 5 - 8 years of testing. Am I right?

[nameless]

how come Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg cant be balding.. We need their kinda funds to get this thing going..

I don't understand why you are concerned with this issue. The only researcher seeking funding is Cotseralis/Follica. The rest of the researchers are moving full steam ahead. You are focused on the wrong thing IMO. Instead of focusing on Cotseralis's wounding experiments you should be focused on the cell therapies being moved forward by the other researchers.

[HairBane]

how come Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg cant be balding.. We need their kinda funds to get this thing going..

Or Elon Musk?

[hellouser]

Or Elon Musk?

Elon definitely had a hair transplant... thats without question. He could fund every hair loss initiative from Histogen to Dr. Lauster's team with his pocket change.

[nameless]

Btw Arashi,

I just remembered. I just found out that Dr Nigam pulled out of his presentation for some unknown reasons! Thought you'd be interested to know

I'm not as convinced as everyone else here that this is good news for the following reasons:

1. As far as I know he is the only doctor in the world who WAS willing to try these cell treatments on us early. I think that by shutting him down we have cut off our nose to spite our face.

2. People blame Nigam for not producing GREAT WOW results, but was that really his fault? Keep in mind that when he was doing cell treatments (months ago) he did not yet have the information how to culture DP cells while maintaining ALL hair inductivity. Desmond just got done telling us that the researchers who have had this information have been keeping it secret so we know that Nigam did not have the information. For all we know that is the only reason why Nigam's cell treatments did not work. For all we know if Nigam was still on board with us he could add new information (dp culture while maintaining hair inductivity) and he could start curing our hair loss now instead of us having to wait 8 years.

But we killed that possibility. Lovely. So now we can call wait 8 years for a cure.