WCHR 2014 Presentations (Community-funded)

[rhysmorgan]

Hey guys,

I just skimmed through the discussions. Tbh the vibe I got from Dr Cotsarelis is that the wounding trials and whatever was being used in conjunction to it was not sufficient to produce consistent hair regrowth. He also kept his distance throughout the conference and really didn't wanna talk to me about any of this stuff. I personally walked away feeling Follica is not something we should be focusing on so much anymore. Furthermore, Dr Cotsarelis himself hardly mentioned anything about the effects of wounding on hair regeneration even though he had 3 presentations total of 2 hours! He spent most of the time discussing PGD2 and fgf9. So I think even he has kind of moved on.

I am really excited about the work coming out of Germany. They're definitely onto something and are keeping it hush hush.

Dr Jahodas team was also very keen on finding out what other labs have achieved and in almost every single presentation regarding culturing DP cells they got up and asked several questions about the work being presented. They were also taking lots of photos of the slides and data being presented.

Another thing I also realised was what gets presented at these congresses is the work they completed at least 12-18 months ago! Most of these teams are well beyond what they are presenting! They never mention anything about unpublished work for obvious patent issues I suppose.

So I don't think ppl should be so pessimistic. One thing I realised this week was that they guard their work like a top secret KGB file. They avoid any question outside of what got presented and simply give a generic answer like "that's where we will be looking at next" or "that is a very good question! <giggles>" and every one has a laugh! It was quite intriguing actually.

That's why I think we should take into account that what they claim they have achieved is old news inside their labs and one can only imagine how much further they actually may be!

Dr Cotsarelis is also a very big figure in the world of hair and just asking for a moment of his time is such a big deal. Believe me. It took me several attempts and lots of charm to get 5 minutes with him. So I doubt he would ever get back to us if we email him.

Hope that helps guys. Cheers

It's very hard keeping up with this thread as it's full of so many conversations we've had a million times in other threads.

Who are you alluding to regarding Germany Desmond? Why do you think they are onto something? What did they say exactly?

Thanks

[Scientalk56]

Guys, you are the best. great work!
thank you desmond for all the information you are giving us!

[Desmond84]

Hey guys,

I just skimmed through the discussions. Tbh the vibe I got from Dr Cotsarelis is that the wounding trials and whatever was being used in conjunction to it was not sufficient to produce consistent hair regrowth. He also kept his distance throughout the conference and really didn't wanna talk to me about any of this stuff. I personally walked away feeling Follica is not something we should be focusing on so much anymore. Furthermore, Dr Cotsarelis himself hardly mentioned anything about the effects of wounding on hair regeneration even though he had 3 presentations total of 2 hours! He spent most of the time discussing PGD2 and fgf9. So I think even he has kind of moved on.

I am really excited about the work coming out of Germany. They're definitely onto something and are keeping it hush hush.

Dr Jahodas team was also very keen on finding out what other labs have achieved and in almost every single presentation regarding culturing DP cells they got up and asked several questions about the work being presented. They were also taking lots of photos of the slides and data being presented.

Another thing I also realised was what gets presented at these congresses is the work they completed at least 12-18 months ago! Most of these teams are well beyond what they are presenting! They never mention anything about unpublished work for obvious patent issues I suppose.

So I don't think ppl should be so pessimistic. One thing I realised this week was that they guard their work like a top secret KGB file. They avoid any question outside of what got presented and simply give a generic answer like "that's where we will be looking at next" or "that is a very good question! <giggles>" and every one has a laugh! It was quite intriguing actually.

That's why I think we should take into account that what they claim they have achieved is old news inside their labs and one can only imagine how much further they actually may be!

Dr Cotsarelis is also a very big figure in the world of hair and just asking for a moment of his time is such a big deal. Believe me. It took me several attempts and lots of charm to get 5 minutes with him. So I doubt he would ever get back to us if we email him.

Hope that helps guys. Cheers

[hellouser]

2 mill is reachable and if it offers us something better than minox or fin and with almost no sides, why not it would be a good interim treatment.
So yeah lets wait for Desmonds input next weekend and than we'll see how to proceed.

Who knows if it even maintains or allows am NW7 to NW1/2 transformation with multiple treatments.

Let's not kid ourselves, anything better than finasteride in ONE SHOT would be a welcome addition to our options.

[Sogeking]

Agreed. Lets wait for desmond to return and he/we should contact cots to find out more details. I agree with the sceptics that it sounds somewhat fishy but lets at least find out what he has to say and offer

2 mill is reachable and if it offers us something better than minox or fin and with almost no sides, why not it would be a good interim treatment.
So yeah lets wait for Desmonds input next weekend and than we'll see how to proceed.

[NeedHairASAP]

Agreed. Lets wait for desmond to return and he/we should contact cots to find out more details. I agree with the sceptics that it sounds somewhat fishy but lets at least find out what he has to say and offer

hopefully you guys demand a business plan before you just send over $2M to cots.

USE EQUITY-BASED CROWDFUNDING.


***DO NOT JUST DONATE***

I repeat, DO NOT JUST DONATE.

I say this for various reasons.

[Arashi]

Nothing, bar the wailings of the Perpetual Negativity Brigade. We should seriously consider it.

Agreed. Lets wait for desmond to return and he/we should contact cots to find out more details. I agree with the sceptics that it sounds somewhat fishy but lets at least find out what he has to say and offer

[Kurtis]

Not looking like we have much to feel hopeful about. Sadly.

[Kurtis]

What if we aimed for a million+ dollar pot of crowd sourced donations and offered it to the lab/group/ scientist who proposed the best, most potentially feasible solution?

[Pentarou]

What's wrong with possibly crowd-funding $2 million so we can turn Cotserlis's $2 million treatment plan into our bridge?

Nothing, bar the wailings of the Perpetual Negativity Brigade. We should seriously consider it.

[kobefan234]

What's wrong with possibly crowd-funding $2 million so we can turn Cotserlis's $2 million treatment plan into our bridge?

Nothing is wrong with that idea. I hope he has a efficacious product that will help.

[zeos]

If thats the case, then the $2 million should be raised and have a superior treatment to finasteride; Follica. In the meantime, im sure we could muster up some cash and fund Histogen too. A treatment from Histogen and Follica would benefit a very large number of us and would likely bridge us until a full out cure.

I totally agree

[JZA70]

Funding Follica would be absolutely retarded. We don't even know anything about their method and how or if it actually works.

No way anyone would pay for that.

[hellouser]

Gut feeling tells me that if there's still no solid evidence of any lab grown follicles used on human scalp yet, theres no point in trying to raise any kind of funds to give to the researchers for a 'shot in the dark' when we are in desperate need of treatments RIGHT NOW.

If thats the case, then the $2 million should be raised and have a superior treatment to finasteride; Follica. In the meantime, im sure we could muster up some cash and fund Histogen too. A treatment from Histogen and Follica would benefit a very large number of us and would likely bridge us until a full out cure. I'm STILL puzzled why Follica can't be considered a cure if they said they are able to create NEW follicles. Desmond really need to fill us in on this if Follica's current treatment can be a cure if 2 or more treatments are required. I'm willing to wound my head multiple times to get a full head of hair.

If no research team has had success on lab grown follicles on humans, that means we're still some time away on pre-clinical success and many more years until a commercial release... so, 8 years minimum regardless. In that time, we should be focusing on whats available to us at the earliest possible date; Histogen in Asia and Follica in USA. Soon after that CB will be made available with the addition of Pilofocus.

Now, I don't have a high tolerance for mediocrity as all those options are shit by my standards; go big or go home, but the reality is that not enough has been done thus far to cure us in the near future. Only way for us to get a cure is IF there's a solution that works on humans soon and IF a doctor or team are willing to skirt around FDA and other crap by performing the procedure in less regulated jurisdictions; India. I don't see it happening soon for us any other way.

[HairlossAt15]

Lets not spam the thread with our sob stories (bit late now) lol.