WCHR 2014 Presentations (Community-funded)

[joachim]

man, i want to see the presentation of dr. lindner / dr. atac now =)
and also i'm eager to hear desmond's summary as soon as he gets the green light from them. we need to know if the bioreactor story is THE cure or not.

[Scientalk56]

2020 is the year of cure and in 2015+ better treatments, note that as time goes on the faster technology advance's..

lol

[Duke]

2023 - 2028

3023 - 3028

[35YrsAfter]

2020 is the year of cure and in 2015+ better treatments, note that as time goes on the faster technology advance's..

2023 - 2028

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[David7]

2020 is the year of cure and in 2015+ better treatments, note that as time goes on the faster technology advance's..

[kobefan234]

I was feeling hopeful about all this new research until I saw this:

http://news.bioscholar.com/2010/12/a-cure-for-baldness-could-be-available-in-5-years.html

Lauster saying that he'd have a cure in 5 years, back in 2010.


It's great that people like desmond are optimistic as a general mode of being, but let's face it, we're gonna spend our youth balding. there's no difference between this and cancer research, a lot of great findings can be made, but they are going to keep telling us the same story every five years. We are still in the dark ages of medicine and nothing is gonna change that or speed up time. All this "cured in 10 years" talk means nothing if they don't actually develop a working protocol in the next 3 years or so, and I really don't see that happening. They are still barely able to grow a weak pseudo hair in a mouse or a foreskin- to me it seems crazy to think that it'll take anything less than decades to even get those issues straight. Xu said he can "hopefully" make a whole follicle in the next ten years. then another ten to test it? Ugh, whatever, by that time I'll be 50 and won't give a damn. Like Cots said, it took rogaine 8 years just to get the foam out vs. liquid minox. I'm down to help crowdfund or whatever, but the way I see it I'm doing it for my future grandkids

my prediction is 2036.

[sascha]

I can't read german. tried hitting the "english" button on the site but I couldnt find the article again. where was it published? If they said that in 2010 then it means that they have one more year to answer all the questions. Doesn't seem like they are even close to keeping with that timeline.

Ah sorry mate. I think this article was written by an admin of the "alopecia.de" forum, like some articles written by "the bald truth" guys. I canīt find a date either.
The 2 last questions are regarding a timeline and cost.
As I said: he thinks 5 years to clear things up and 5 years for approval.
Cost should be very high at the beginning but decrease with time.
Most interesting passage is question 4 (4th line that is written bold):
"how far advanced are you? does it work in animals?"
Answer: preclinical studies with animals and clinical studies with humans can be attempted after raising funds. They are confinced that their method is good enough, because they were able to create hair shafts in vitro. He points out that in vitro is a big achievement, because there you do not have sufficient support by nervs and blood and still the formation of such micro-follicels was successful.

[sdsurfin]

Actually sdsurfin:

http://www.alopezie.de/news/haarfollikelzuchtung-an-der-technischen-universitat-berlin

Dr. Lindner says if they can follow their protocoll tightly all the questions will be answered in 5 years and THAN the 5 years of commercialization process begin my pessimistic friend

I can't read german. tried hitting the "english" button on the site but I couldnt find the article again. where was it published? If they said that in 2010 then it means that they have one more year to answer all the questions. Doesn't seem like they are even close to keeping with that timeline.

[sascha]

Actually sdsurfin:

http://www.alopezie.de/news/haarfollikelzuchtung-an-der-technischen-universitat-berlin

Dr. Lindner says if they can follow their protocoll tightly all the questions will be answered in 5 years and THAN the 5 years of commercialization process begin my pessimistic friend

[sdsurfin]

I was feeling hopeful about all this new research until I saw this:

http://news.bioscholar.com/2010/12/a-cure-for-baldness-could-be-available-in-5-years.html

Lauster saying that he'd have a cure in 5 years, back in 2010.


It's great that people like desmond are optimistic as a general mode of being, but let's face it, we're gonna spend our youth balding. there's no difference between this and cancer research, a lot of great findings can be made, but they are going to keep telling us the same story every five years. We are still in the dark ages of medicine and nothing is gonna change that or speed up time. All this "cured in 10 years" talk means nothing if they don't actually develop a working protocol in the next 3 years or so, and I really don't see that happening. They are still barely able to grow a weak pseudo hair in a mouse or a foreskin- to me it seems crazy to think that it'll take anything less than decades to even get those issues straight. Xu said he can "hopefully" make a whole follicle in the next ten years. then another ten to test it? Ugh, whatever, by that time I'll be 50 and won't give a damn. Like Cots said, it took rogaine 8 years just to get the foam out vs. liquid minox. I'm down to help crowdfund or whatever, but the way I see it I'm doing it for my future grandkids

[hellouser]

the question is if the fat injections even would help us NOW or is it ok do just do it then when hair multiplication is ready

I actually asked if they ever did injections of fat grafts onto the scalp and the woman on the phone said no. However, I'll send in an email and ask the clinic to see what they say about this.

Perhaps if a hair transplant is done by moving follicles ALONG with fatty tissue, this would create a better environment for stem cells to flourish and grow into fully functioning follicles by using the surround fatty tissue as support?

It'd be interesting to see what could happen with fat grafting alone and if it were to improve with growth factor injections from Histogen to revive old miniaturized follicles.... or perhaps fat grafting + replicel when it comes time.

[joachim]

I just called a clinic and asked about fat grafting for the entire face (under eyes, cheeks and chin) and the entire procedure lasts about 2 hours and costs about $4,900 at the following locale http://www.myplasticsurgerytoronto.com/

Seeing how many of us are willing to spend 10+ thousands of dollars on hair restoration, this wouldn't really be that big of a dent for us. But it really does raise an interesting topic.

the question is if the fat injections even would help us NOW or is it ok do just do it then when hair multiplication is ready

[joachim]

i think aderans problem was simply because of their 2D culturing. a decade ago when they started their theories they probably didn't have that knowledge about inductivity etc.
and then finally they had to give up when they realized their method leads to nowhere.
by the way desmond mentioned he found out why aderans failed but didn't post it yet.

can you give us the answer desmond? is it only because of the 2D culturing?

[nameless]

Hmmm....

What if part of the reason why follicles did NOT grow on the scalp in balding areas when Aderans tried it or during Replicels phase I trials is due to this?

Perhaps if they injected the cells into areas where fatty tissue exists we could see growth of new follicles and use those to transplant into balding areas along WITH the fatty tissue?

But having said that, is the fatty tissue absolutely necessary?

Hellouser one thing I will tell you is that these fat cells contain important growth factors that could and may stimulate hair growth. Also, I think that inside these fat cells there is no oxygen and if I'm right about that then that would mean that these growth factors inside of fat cells are being produced in an environment that does not have oxygen, just like the histogen growth factors.

[hellouser]

Hell,

I don't have the answer to your questions.
You raise a particularly interesting question in #4.
In my years of body fat lowering/raising and working out, it makes me wonder if I exacerbated hair loss with either androgen raising or body fat lowering.

Of course, every time I think this way, I think of Jay Cutler who has more hair than I did at 12 years old, and is multi time Mr. Olympia!

On the flip side, I dont work out at all and have lost a significant amount of hair. What's odd is that I used to play a lot of basketball in my teens but my 20s I was completely inactive.