8th World Congress For Hair Research - Korea (2014)

[Arashi]

Arishi when I'm mistaken I just simply say, "oops I stand corrected" and then I move on.

Well let's see about that. You claimed in this post:
http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpos...6&postcount=69 that I had said they had a cure ready for the clinic right now. Yet you now seem to understand that I did not say that at all. So where's that "oops I stand corrected" now ?

[hellouser]

Thanks Desmond84 for the info, I'm looking at my schedule as I'm thinking of going to this Congress now just to see first hand what clinical trials are presented, as you said it looks very exciting.

Are you in South Korea??

[deuce]

Does anyone know if they will be showing research for products to come out in the near future? I remember last year they showed that topical Finasteride that worked really well, but I do not know whatever happened to it.

[deuce]

??

[hellouser]

Does anyone know if they will be showing research for products to come out in the near future? I remember last year they showed that topical Finasteride that worked really well, but I do not know whatever happened to it.

Flip through all the presentations here:

http://www.hair2014.org/contents.asp?midx=10&sidx=72&openpage=10&menuov=Detailed%20Program

That's a detailed look at all of them.

[nameless]

When Aderans took its' cell-based therapies to human clinical trials they had not worked out all of the bugs. They could not get human hairs to grow in the lab, they didn't know why, and they decided to proceed to human studies hoping that once they got the concept into human studies the concept would work even though it didn't work in the lab. They were wrong. There were still those bugs preventing them from growing human hair via cell-based therapies in the lab.This is where the science is now at. They're trying to figure out what those bugs are and how to fix them.

This having been said, I think that it will probably be another year or two before they completely work out the bugs to make cell-based therapies work on human hair. Adversely, I'm not sure that scientists have even figured out what all the bugs are yet. On the positive side, I think that a lot of new information has surfaced about cell biology, and how cells communicate, since Aderans first started human clinical trials. But the progress could be hampered by scientists tripping over their own feet. For example, Yale scientists discovered that fat cell signaling to the hair follicle plays a role in hair growth/loss so now some docs are starting to use fat cells in their treatment mixes. But they're using fat cells from the stomach and those specific fat cells in the stomach are not actively engaged in signaling the follicles to grow hair. so when the doctors inject those fat cells in their hair loss treatments those fat cells will not signal the follicles to grow hair. The fat cells that are actively engaged in signaling the follicles to grow hair are the fat cells under the hair follicles in the scalp so these are the fat cells that the doctors should add to their treatments. But there aren't enough of them so they would have to culture them and this takes us back to the whole trichogenicty issue because when they culture these fat cells below actively growing hair follicles their trichogenicity will be lost. Hence, we need to see what news will surface about the trichogenicity preservation or restoration at the 2014 hair loss congress.

[hellouser]

Does anyone speak German? I found a video of Dr. Lauster's team work on follicle generation, it's essentially the same as the one we've all seen in english but with about 2 extra minutes of info:

http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=23045&mode=play

Shorter version in english:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAS_k1IrJpA

[Duke]

In the german version Lauster mentions how efficient their process of creating hair follicels is - He says they can probably mass-produce this follicels which means it will be available for more people due lower prices etc.

They also talk a bit more about the original idea behind their work - make animal testing for lotions, make up etc. obsolete.

[nameless]

In the german version Lauster mentions how efficient their process of creating hair follicels is - He says they can probably mass-produce this follicels which means it will be available for more people due lower prices etc.

They also talk a bit more about the original idea behind their work - make animal testing for lotions, make up etc. obsolete.

Why can't they just use it to create follicles to implant into balding scalps?

[hellouser]

Why can't they just use it to create follicles to implant into balding scalps?

I think it wasn't efficient enough to create dozens of thousands of follicles in one shot to cover even the highest norwoods completely with a FULL head of hair thats socially acceptable as dense, not sparse like some of us diffusers.

I have a feeling that the bioreactor presented next week will address just that, and the inventor of it will be there too, who is also the project leader for follicle cloning.

[nameless]

I think it wasn't efficient enough to create dozens of thousands of follicles in one shot to cover even the highest norwoods completely with a FULL head of hair thats socially acceptable as dense, not sparse like some of us diffusers.

I have a feeling that the bioreactor presented next week will address just that, and the inventor of it will be there too, who is also the project leader for follicle cloning.

Well, it's a little different from injecting cells because they would be injecting entire follicles, but if it works then you could get a full head of hair this way instead of using cell injections. There are some concerns though:

1. Creating a bunch of new follicles and injecting them into the scalp would be more expensive than injecting cells throughout the scalp.

2. The FDA will probably take years to approve injecting whole follicles produced by bioreactor into the scalp so it would take years to get this treatment.

[Duke]

well as far as I understand their technology they wont inject the follicels into the scalp - they will just produce a couple thousand for you in their bio-reactor and then implant them like it is a standard hair transplantation.

[hellouser]

2. The FDA will probably take years to approve injecting whole follicles produced by bioreactor into the scalp so it would take years to get this treatment.

Simple solution:

Boycott USA and take the technology elsewhere. USA isn't the only country in the world.

[Duke]

I just live a 3-hour train ride away from Dr. Lauster and his crew...so as soon they have a working treatment going iam knocking at their door

[hellouser]

well as far as I understand their technology they wont inject the follicels into the scalp - they will just produce a couple thousand for you in their bio-reactor and then implant them like it is a standard hair transplantation.

Most likely the case, but at least implanting them is much faster than harvesting via traditional FUE/FUT. Most of the costs of hair transplants are in the time of the doctor, so if he's gotta spend X number of hours harvesting, or have a team of assistants strip the grafts from an FUT, then the costs will be high. At least the bioreactor alleviates this problem... only question is;

How much will the bioreactor cost?