Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

[Arashi]

Seconding this. Iron Man is incredibly well-versed on the intricacies of hair loss; I too would love to hear his opinion on these developments.

Boldy and Desmond are by far the 2 most knowledgeable persons on this forum. Ironman comes nowhere near them and he's totally biased: everything else than HASCI is sh*t in his eyes and he's been wrong about HASCI in the first place. So I'm pretty sure he'll be negative about this too (since it's not HASCI, lol)

[Tenma]

Youre wrong about another 'stronger' AA coming out. You could castrate yourself and block all testosterone levels completely and turn into a woman, youre NOT going to regrow your lost hair.

According to Hamilton canonical studies about eunucs castrated after puberty, complete reversal of early baldness on the crown isnt imposible . He found that frontal hairloss was harder to recover from though.

The early you stop androgen stimulus, the better are the chances of regrowing some of the hair you lost.

But i agree that antiandrogen therapy is basically about mantainance.

[Bjimmy]

Dude, i've been in this game long enough to know who is whom. Desmond is really really good and a great person but this guy Iron Man is like an evil Bryan Shelton lol.

I'd really appreciate his opinion.

Seconding this. Iron Man is incredibly well-versed on the intricacies of hair loss; I too would love to hear his opinion on these developments.

[hellouser]

Hey man, I think this comment reflects some very positive development. I myself was since day 1 very much against the idea of permanent depletion of my donor, which a HT would produce, but I became much more open to a HT, after I just read recent news, especially when the option of restoring the density into the donor zone will probably be available now in 10 and not 20 years. Now, I don't know if they will be able to achieve the fullest density after 10 years, but it's still potentially 10 years of waiting. It JUST AIN'T F*CKING WORTH IT, if I'm the only person in the world who will see the difference in my appearance when the donor is depleted.

We're always waiting out to see what will come from various drugs, such as CB and Valporic Acid... but I'm "merely" receding as opposed to any thinning, so I'm not confident why either of these would benefit me enough to delay the HT. We'll know a lot more by the end of the year. TomVercetti should have had at least something new for us to consider. Hopefully we can write off the "regeneration" part from Pilofocus, unless there is really impressive evidence of it. Or maybe Histogen surprises us. But the only reason after that why I might still delay my HT after that is Costarelis, who always seems to be "two years away from a treatment". "If it all went perfectly then possibly in two to three years we would have a product, but that's very optimistic." That was in 2007. Why can't he just say "Y'all go have a HT now, unless you wanna spend the next few years in the misery?" This is a question I wish Spencer would ask him. What does Costarelis think about just having a HT in 2014? Spencer has for long been providing guys with guidance concerning treatment options, but, Hellrouser, don't you think THIS kind of an exchange with Costarelis would be critical in providing us the guidance we right now desperately need?

I think Cotsarelis needs to STFU if he plans on saying '2 more years' every 5 years. At this point we have to take his words with a very small grain of salt. Either he becomes transparent or stops lying through his teeth; its disgusting.

The only HT I'd consider is pilofocus though, everything else is crap. But hey, even that isn't supposed to be available for patients until end of this year or early next year, but we all know how doctors are with projections, they all fail MISERABLY, so what Dr. Wesley says about availability, you CANNOT use it as scripture when he's more than likely to be WRONG.

[clarence]

HT for me for now, should last me about a decade... its taken me about that long to go down to an NW3...

Hey man, I think this comment reflects some very positive development. I myself was since day 1 very much against the idea of permanent depletion of my donor, which a HT would produce, but I became much more open to a HT, after I just read recent news, especially when the option of restoring the density into the donor zone will probably be available now in 10 and not 20 years. Now, I don't know if they will be able to achieve the fullest density after 10 years, but it's still potentially 10 years of waiting. It JUST AIN'T F*CKING WORTH IT, if I'm the only person in the world who will see the difference in my appearance when the donor is depleted.

We're always waiting out to see what will come from various drugs, such as CB and Valporic Acid... but I'm "merely" receding as opposed to any thinning, so I'm not confident why either of these would benefit me enough to delay the HT. We'll know a lot more by the end of the year. TomVercetti should have had at least something new for us to consider. Hopefully we can write off the "regeneration" part from Pilofocus, unless there is really impressive evidence of it. Or maybe Histogen surprises us. But the only reason after that why I might still delay my HT after that is Costarelis, who always seems to be "two years away from a treatment". "If it all went perfectly then possibly in two to three years we would have a product, but that's very optimistic." That was in 2007. Why can't he just say "Y'all go have a HT now, unless you wanna spend the next few years in the misery?" This is a question I wish Spencer would ask him. What does Costarelis think about just having a HT in 2014? Spencer has for long been providing guys with guidance concerning treatment options, but, Hellrouser, don't you think THIS kind of an exchange with Costarelis would be critical in providing us the guidance we right now desperately need?

[hellouser]

but hellouse if you are a NW3 and you can maintain that, shouldent donor area cover so you can get a good hairline? with a safe AA one can almost say its riskless to do a HT? even if the drugs stop working after 7-10 years there is surely to be another option, or another AA that doesnt work the same way and doesnt interfere with the non working AA

Theoretically, yes I could do that. But how long beore CB arrives on the market? 3 years? 4 years? I have no desire to wait that long, not for CB and not for a cure via stem cells.

Youre wrong about another 'stronger' AA coming out. You could castrate yourself and block all testosterone levels completely and turn into a woman, youre NOT going to regrow your lost hair.

[Alias123]

but hellouse if you are a NW3 and you can maintain that, shouldent donor area cover so you can get a good hairline? with a safe AA one can almost say its riskless to do a HT? even if the drugs stop working after 7-10 years there is surely to be another option, or another AA that doesnt work the same way and doesnt interfere with the non working AA

[hellouser]

You may be surprised with CB. An antiandrogen that addresses both T and DHT is a huge step forward and there are good chances of some regrowth.

There is a study performed with ionophoresis as a vehicle and the results were amazing.

I know all about CB, and no, its not going to regrow your temples, I'll bet both my testicles on that. CB is a good treatment, but its NOT a solution.

[Tenma]

It doesn't solve anything for an NW3 like me. CB, if it ever comes out, won't regrow my temples nor will it restore my hairline. I'll still have a decimated hairline and a framed face that looks like shit.

So no, I dont care for CB if we can have a legitimate cure just as quickly.

You may be surprised with CB. An antiandrogen that addresses both T and DHT is a huge step forward and there are good chances of some regrowth in the front. Even Dut showed moderate regrowth on some people

There is a study performed with ionophoresis as a vehicle and the results were amazing.

[hellouser]

why are you all saying its 10+ years to a cure? a cure is subjective, in 80% of cases its a AA who works without sides like CB or histogen, and we are looking at 3-4 years there, and with a safe maintaining it means it solves everyone below NW3

It doesn't solve anything for an NW3 like me. CB, if it ever comes out, won't regrow my temples nor will it restore my hairline. I'll still have a decimated hairline and a framed face that looks like shit.

So no, I dont care for CB if we can have a legitimate cure just as quickly.

[Tenma]

why are you all saying its 10+ years to a cure? a cure is subjective, in 80% of cases its a AA who works without sides like CB or histogen, and we are looking at 3-4 years there, and with a safe maintaining it means it solves everyone below NW3

Couldnt agree more. The problem is that if drugs stop working after, let say 15-20 years, we'll need something like hair multiplication for long term maintenance and regeneration.

[Alias123]

why are you all saying its 10+ years to a cure? a cure is subjective, in 80% of cases its a AA who works without sides like CB or histogen, and we are looking at 3-4 years there, and with a safe maintaining it means it solves everyone below NW3

[PatientlyWaiting]

Not even primary doctors or dermatologists(who study hair, skin, and nail diseases) care about MPB. Can't believe how many doctors don't even know the drug name for Propecia and Rogaine. When I say finasteride and minoxidil they're like "Huh, what, what is that?"

I feel like I have to teach them about hair loss terms every time I go there, which is why I stopped going.

[Tenma]

We shouldnt care at all about the media. They dont know or care a fxuck about AGA.

[hellouser]

No, they could do it right away and I guess they are. It would make sense to do that last experiment before moving onto the next step: clinical trials (although these guys in Taiwan are already starting that). The whole experiment would probably take about 2 months, so give them some time. I hope/expect to see such result before summer !

The 2 months part I can accept:

• creation of follicle
• formation of hair beneath skin
• sprouting of hair above skin
• growth of hair to aesthetically acceptable and NOTICEABLE length (hair grows 1cm per month!)

So yeah, 2 months I can see it happening. Like I said earlier, trials need to start this year, not 5 years from now.