Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

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  • nameless
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 965

    Originally posted by 35YrsAfter
    The research has been lean at best and the cancer dangers associated with these kind of treatments apparently require a yet to be discovered solution. Of course, there's also hair growth direction issues.

    It will get solved eventually. Safely growing hair only appears difficult. Many researchers have their heads buried in the molecules and often miss the bigger picture.

    Consider that hair transplant doctors placed unnatural plugs for around 30 years. I have had to deal with that personally. I went to the same clinic for a hairline refinement and they placed more plugs on top of the existing plugs. The result wasn't any better. I knew next to nothing about hair transplants then, but even I wondered why they didn't split the grafts and place single hairs on the hairline and between the plugs.

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    I think that there are NO hair direction/growth issues when it comes to implantation of cells. I think that the hair growth issues pertain to whole follicles. I think that if you stick to implanting cells the cells will use the existing follicles to produce longer thicker hairs that grow in the same direction that they used to grow.

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    • joely
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 336

      Show how angry you are at being bald by being offensive to strangers on the internet

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      • cichlidfort
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 262

        Originally posted by joely
        Show how angry you are at being bald by being offensive to strangers on the internet
        Who are you talking to?

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        • joely
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2011
          • 336

          Just everyone in general

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          • 35YrsAfter
            Doctor Representative
            • Aug 2012
            • 1418

            Originally posted by nameless
            I think that there are NO hair direction/growth issues when it comes to implantation of cells. I think that the hair growth issues pertain to whole follicles. I think that if you stick to implanting cells the cells will use the existing follicles to produce longer thicker hairs that grow in the same direction that they used to grow.
            Hair growth direction is pretty amazing and I don't know what the determining factors are with natural growing hair. I don't see how direction couldn't be an issue unless direction is determined by instructions in the surrounding skin. Take a look at your arm for instance to see all of the gradual changes in the direction of growth. The direction patterns remind me of the effect a magnetic field has on iron particles.

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            • nameless
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 965

              Originally posted by 35YrsAfter
              Hair growth direction is pretty amazing and I don't know what the determining factors are with natural growing hair. I don't see how direction couldn't be an issue unless direction is determined by instructions in the surrounding skin. Take a look at your arm for instance to see all of the gradual changes in the direction of growth. The direction patterns remind me of the effect a magnetic field has on iron particles.

              35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
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              I could be wrong but it's my recollection that when Jahoda injected his wife's cells into his arm all those years ago he said that the follicles he had began producing larger longer hairs instead of the short ones they used to produce for his arm. I think this means that the cells from his wife that he injected incorporated the follicles that are already in his arm and grew hairs through them.

              On the other hand when you inject whole follicles they do not process through the follicles that are already indigenous to the location. They integrate into the skin where they are injected and they stand alone. The way they articulate hairs is decided by the artistry of the person who injected them. This can be very difficult when you are talking about 10s of thousands of follicles. I would much rather have cells injected than whole follicles.

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              • kobefan234
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2013
                • 108

                Originally posted by nameless
                I really think that you're wrong. After Aderans failed it looks like the basic research scientists rolled up their shirt sleeves and set out to get to the bottom of this disaster. There have been numerous advances in the science of cell biology in general (not just in connection with hair loss) since Aderans started their clinical trials. We are in a totally different scientific world now than we were when Aderens first started their trials. I really think that the basic researchers are getting close to cracking this nut.
                after reading desmond's thread I would not be so optimistic. I think in my lifetime there will never be a cure where an NW7 > NW1.

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                • cichlidfort
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 262

                  Originally posted by kobefan234
                  after reading desmond's thread I would not be so optimistic. I think in my lifetime there will never be a cure where an NW7 > NW1.
                  No one is listening to your nonsense. Stop trolling. It's redundant.

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                  • joachim
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2014
                    • 559

                    what about that? i mean the chinese matrigel culturing technique? was desmond able to find out more about this team? have they been on the conference? if not, how do we get more info about it? i just read through the article again, and it seems more than promising... we need to find out how far they are. according to dr. gardner nobody achieved more than 40% gene expression. but the article tells something different.

                    desmond, any further insight into this?

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                    • 35YrsAfter
                      Doctor Representative
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 1418

                      Originally posted by kobefan234
                      after reading desmond's thread I would not be so optimistic. I think in my lifetime there will never be a cure where an NW7 > NW1.
                      The company, ACell is working with the military toward developing limb regeneration. Hair has to be a lot easier. Hair seems to grow everywhere. As most men get older, the hair on their head may fade away but it seems to grow just about anywhere and you'll see thick stray hairs appear on ears even the end of the nose. By comparison, it just can't be that difficult to get hair to grow. You don't see arms or fingernails just randomly appearing on the body.

                      This young girl from Thailand likes the way she looks. Laser removal didn't work. This genetic rarity needs to be studied and should reveal some unknowns regarding hair growth.

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                      • Vox
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 298

                        Originally posted by 35YrsAfter
                        The company, ACell is working with the military toward developing limb regeneration. Hair has to be a lot easier. Hair seems to grow everywhere. As most men get older, the hair on their head may fade away but it seems to grow just about anywhere and you'll see thick stray hairs appear on ears even the end of the nose. By comparison, it just can't be that difficult to get hair to grow. You don't see arms or fingernails just randomly appearing on the body.
                        I tend to agree with this observation; especially with the part saying that hair grows in unexpected spots on the body as we get old, except the scalp of course. But then this suggests that in fact no significant effort was put into curing baldness so far.

                        Originally posted by 35YrsAfter
                        This young girl from Thailand likes the way she looks. Laser removal didn't work. This genetic rarity needs to be studied and should reveal some unknowns regarding hair growth.
                        Is this real?

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                        • 35YrsAfter
                          Doctor Representative
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 1418

                          Originally posted by Vox
                          Is this real?
                          It's called Ambras Syndrome or Hypertrichosis.

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                          • 35YrsAfter
                            Doctor Representative
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1418

                            I believe this is the first recorded mention of hypertrichosis. Supposedly the werewolf myths are based upon this genetic anomaly. In the last century the late Warren Zevon had some fun with it... "I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect".

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                            • 2young2bald
                              Junior Member
                              • May 2014
                              • 28

                              Any update of this?

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                              • sascha
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2014
                                • 147

                                Originally posted by 2young2bald
                                Any update of this?
                                I give you a piece of advice. Take fin if you can tolerate it and get off this forum. Look forward to the Shiseido trial with the Replicel-method, stop worrying that much and maybe check things put once per week as I do. If you are really 2young2bald, just try fin with a positive attitude and hope for the best. Just because we do not get any updates, does not mean that nothing happens. Replicel posts a lot of interesting stuff on their Twitter-page.

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