Histogen Update from Ziering Medical

[fred970]

FUE is far too costly(I'm around an NW3 and Fue to even somewhat get me back to 0 would cost me 14000)

And you think a full-blown cure will only cost 140$ of course.

Look, you want your hair back or you don't. You can have 4000 grafts done for 8000€ by a top doc in Belgium. I think it's more than fair to truly get a good part of your hair back. But no, people just like to moan.

[cookies]

I don't think you'll have to preform the whole clinical trial process in the US in order to get FDA approvement. And did they really preform phase 1/2a in Asia? I thought all the people with the results looked caucasian.

Ziering's (if it was him, and not his employee) answer was really vague. In the first part of the answer, was he talking about Histogen or starting another therapy from scratch? And in the second part, was he reffering to Histogen's result's or PRP results?

[Scientalk56]

Spencer often talks about the dark age of hair loss, when there was nothing available. I truly believe we are entering a golden age, it might seem overly optimistic but I see it that way.

We're still in dark ages..
We only have two effective treatments that slow down hairloss.. For more than 25 years..

I am not expecting a cure, not at all.. just a better treatment.. but i am losing more hair as time goes by (i am norwood 3), so future treatments won't really help me..

Btw, Histogen still didn't start the FDA process, The Phase 1/2a they did was in Asia not USA... So Zeiring was right when he said it will take at least 7 years at least.. (at best case).. by the time i would be totally bald, and it will be beyond help..

[robodoc]

No.




Really? We should just settle with bullshit workarounds?

Settle? I don't think settling is on anyone's list. Let me put it this way, we don't have crap in the pipeline. Everyone has a certain amount of hair and everyone will deal with it in their own way, shave,rugs, concealers, HT or nothing.
Bitch all you want but can't live the way we always want. Hoping does not hurt either. When we have chromosome/gene mapping technology you do have to wonder why we can't all live with hair on our head and not our balls.

[locke999]

LOL @ you praising these stone age solutions.

Classic one line response when you have no counter argument.

He appreciates what there is instead of moaning what there isn't but not doing anything about it.

[rdawg]

Would you stop with that picture, after a hundred reposts, it kind of stops being funny.



This is the most sensible remark in this thread. And as usual, it gets completely ignored. I guess a lot of people here are just addicted this feeling of hopelessness.

A combination of minoxidil, FUE, SMP, concealers and possibly beard grafts could probably "cure" 90% of hair loss sufferers. The 10% left being people like Joe from SI who will accept nothing less than getting their teen hair back.

FUE is far too costly(I'm around an NW3 and Fue to even somewhat get me back to 0 would cost me 14000)

now if you are in your late 20's or 30's and bring in 80+ thousand a year then sure, but as a student it's just not an option.

Fut just has an unbearable scar although it is much cheaper(6-7000)

so really my only option is to wait for an affordable drug, because minoxidil and propecia only cost me about 120 bucks a year.

[hellouser]

How are they bullshit? These solutions are real, available, now.

I know you dream of a complete miracle cure, but it's not going to happen. Improvements, sure, I believe they'll come. Pilofocus, better regrowth agents than minoxidil, possibly donor regeneration.

Spencer often talks about the dark age of hair loss, when there was nothing available. I truly believe we are entering a golden age, it might seem overly optimistic but I see it that way. My father with his wig on his head is thrilled by what we have available today, even minoxidil impresses him a lot. In his time (the 80's), there was absolutely nothing.

You should be grateful for what we have instead of moaning that there is nothing out there to help us.

LOL @ you praising these stone age solutions.

[fred970]

How are they bullshit? These solutions are real, available, now.

I know you dream of a complete miracle cure, but it's not going to happen. Improvements, sure, I believe they'll come. Pilofocus, better regrowth agents than minoxidil, possibly donor regeneration.

Spencer often talks about the dark age of hair loss, when there was nothing available. I truly believe we are entering a golden age, it might seem overly optimistic but I see it that way. My father with his wig on his head is thrilled by what we have available today, even minoxidil impresses him a lot. In his time (the 80's), there was absolutely nothing.

You should be grateful for what we have instead of moaning that there is nothing out there to help us.

[hellouser]

Would you stop with that picture, after a hundred reposts, it kind of stops being funny.

No.

This is the most sensible remark in this thread. And as usual, it gets completely ignored. I guess a lot of people here are just addicted this feeling of hopelessness.

A combination of minoxidil, FUE, SMP, concealers and possibly beard grafts could probably "cure" 90% of hair loss sufferers. The 10% left being people like Joe from SI who will accept nothing less than getting their teen hair back.

Really? We should just settle with bullshit workarounds?

[fred970]

Would you stop with that picture, after a hundred reposts, it kind of stops being funny.

Or get FUE and then SMP to enhance your results, and if you don't suffer from side effects, use dutasteride and also get on minoxidil.

This is the most sensible remark in this thread. And as usual, it gets completely ignored. I guess a lot of people here are just addicted this feeling of hopelessness.

A combination of minoxidil, FUE, SMP, concealers and possibly beard grafts could probably "cure" 90% of hair loss sufferers. The 10% left being people like Joe from SI who will accept nothing less than getting their teen hair back.

[hellouser]

Seriously pathetic on the part of doctors and biotechs... slowest effing progress in any field I've ever seen.

[JJJJrS]

I should just shave it off and move on, but I can't...

Find a way to deal with it whether that's acceptance, a buzzcut or shaving it off. I did it recently, and although it isn't perfect, it's the best thing you can do if you have hairloss. If a treatment comes out in the near future, it will still be great, but you won't be desperate or consumed by it anymore. Don't suspend your life waiting for a cure.

[greatjob!]

They are mastering the art of incompetence. My god... these biotechs have got to be embarrassed for their pathetic performance.

You're basically just a troll at this point

[Sogeking]

so is acell/prp worth it? i dont mind flying anywhere on the planet if i can stop my loss for 1-2 years w/o antiandrogens

If ti were it would already have been touted as effective on this forum. Unfortunately nothing so far.

This news about Histogen is depressing, release date was supposed to be in 2016. Sigh.

I should just shave it off and move on, but I can't...

[Cob984]

so is acell/prp worth it? i dont mind flying anywhere on the planet if i can stop my loss for 1-2 years w/o antiandrogens