piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[NeedHairASAP]

Google translate sucks for hebrew, the translation didn't made any sense

Anyway, people getting excited about Zinc should google Zinc Oxide and hair. The thing was a fad on HLH in the early 2000's. Some even used vitamin c alongside it, so i guess it acted like a "peel"

You're completely ignoring the importance of the vehicle..... Lots of drugs and compounds don't work/work as well through certain vehicles. This is because of all kinds of things, such as molecule weight, etc.

Ionto devices use a very interesting delivery system that is, according to several peer-reviewed journals, is one of the best delivery systems. So comparing zinc oxide cream to zinc through ionto devices is moronic.

[bigentries]

You're completely ignoring the importance of the vehicle..... Lots of drugs and compounds don't work/work as well through certain vehicles. This is because of all kinds of things, such as molecule weight, etc.

Ionto devices use a very interesting delivery system that is, according to several peer-reviewed journals, is one of the best delivery systems. So comparing zinc oxide cream to zinc through ionto devices is moronic.

Why is it moronic?

I guess people have a point with CB, if whatever they are buying is the real deal, but why is it the same with zinc?
Do you have proof that it is "moronic"? What about the molecule weight of zinc, etc?

Doing research from wiki, these are the reported molecular weights
Minoxidil - 209.251 g/mol
Zinc Oxide - 81.408 g/mol

The reported molecular weight of CB on these forums is "402.52" I want to believe they are talking about g/mol. So Zinc is the smallest molecule by far. Is the ionto device really going to make that much a difference than whatever people were doing back in 2003?

[Scientalk56]

Translation

אני ל_ א יכו ל לש ל וח כאן הו ד ע ה ל פ ר ט י אז שלח לי אי מ ייל לשם מש תמש שלי בגימ ייל רק תוסיף את הא ות איי (איי כ מו כו אב) ו - א ף ב ס וף ש ם המ ש תמש.

Translation:

I can't send private message here, so send me an email to my gmail account, just add an "a" and "f" in the end of my username.

__________________________________________________ ___________

You couldn't translate it because there are "spaces" between some of the letters that weren't supposed to be there:

אני לא יכול לשלוח כאן הודעה לפרטי אז שלח לי אימייל לשם משתמש שלי בגימייל רק תוסיף את האות איי (איי כמו אב) ו - אף בסוף שם המשתמש.

[NeedHairASAP]

. Is the ionto device really going to make that much a difference than whatever people were doing back in 2003?

I dont know. Do you?


Moronic was strong, but there is evidence this could work--- copper, zinc, and ionto are all interesting and nobodies put them together in a way that's fine-tuned specifically for hairloss.

It's interesting.

[rhysmorgan]

These are my thoughts on piloxll

1. It has the most unmarketable and forgettable name in human history.

2. The photos seemed convincing, in large quantities, with a standardized format and consistent, or recorded light conditions, exposure etc.

3. The hair salon story might work for me. This is why:

A. It's not as easy as you think to get good research participants. As a researcher, assuming suitability, if someone approached me to be in my study by calling me up out of the blue, I would jump on them at the first chance. Most researchers could confirm this.
B. The most efficient way to sell these sorts of products is B2B (business to business) because you can offload large amounts of stock and get money up front for medium-large orders, allowing you to fund manufacturing at the initial product stages. For instance, those who sell cosmetics target salons to buy their whole range for say 500-1000 quid. This part of the story makes perfect sense for me as someone who is a part owner of a beauty salon.

4. The dispute between two members on the forum about doctored photos seemed to end in the person being accused coming up with a perfectly reasonable explanation regarding him having two tattoos. This seemed to be a non issue.

Those are just my thoughts. Ultimately we will see, won't we?

[cookies]

I don't man but I think maybe I can invite vraf to this forum he is using the device , I have high hopes for this device .

I'm more curious about your and your friend's findings with the device. I've already seen vraf's pics on the other forum, but I'd like to hear from other people as well.

[Arashi]

These are my thoughts on piloxll

1. It has the most unmarketable and forgettable name in human history.

2. The photos seemed convincing, in large quantities, with a standardized format and consistent, or recorded light conditions, exposure etc.

3. The hair salon story might work for me. This is why:

A. It's not as easy as you think to get good research participants. As a researcher, assuming suitability, if someone approached me to be in my study by calling me up out of the blue, I would jump on them at the first chance. Most researchers could confirm this.
B. The most efficient way to sell these sorts of products is B2B (business to business) because you can offload large amounts of stock and get money up front for medium-large orders, allowing you to fund manufacturing at the initial product stages. For instance, those who sell cosmetics target salons to buy their whole range for say 500-1000 quid. This part of the story makes perfect sense for me as someone who is a part owner of a beauty salon.

4. The dispute between two members on the forum about doctored photos seemed to end in the person being accused coming up with a perfectly reasonable explanation regarding him having two tattoos. This seemed to be a non issue.

Those are just my thoughts. Ultimately we will see, won't we?

Those photo's were 100% confirmed fake. The hairs in the macro photo's didn't match and when a forum member corrected the pictures for lighting, there was NO visible change at all. This means that even if the hairs in the macro photo's WOULD match, it still would be from a different patient. In other words, this is 100% UNDENIABLE proof vraf posted fake and doctered photo's. Which means he's working for Pilox and the whole thing is obviously a scam, no way around it anymore.

Then, it turned out Yoram was working for a clinic which sold tons of snake oil therapies, like acupuncture and even therapies where they applied blood suckers to humans to stimulate hairgrowth. If you still believe there's something real here, man, then you DESERVE to get scammed.

[hellouser]

If you still believe there's something real here, man, then you DESERVE to get scammed.

Bollocks.

[Arashi]

Bollocks.

Seriously if people are that stupid that they still believe there might be something real here then i Couldnt care less if they get scammed. Normally i hate it when somebody gets scammed but in this case id make an exception

[hellouser]

Seriously if people are that stupid that they still believe there might be something real here then they i Couldnt care less if they get scammed. Normally i hate it when somebody gets scammed but in this case id make an exception

This kind of mentality is incredibly arrogant. Essentially you are vouching for a social class that feeds off of another's shortcomings. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Nobody deserves to be scammed... not unless your name is Dr. Nigam.

[Jasari]

Seriously if people are that stupid that they still believe there might be something real here then i Couldnt care less if they get scammed. Normally i hate it when somebody gets scammed but in this case id make an exception

Take into consideration this forum represents the smallest minority of patients. Most hair loss sufferers have next to no idea where to start in attempting to treat hair loss.

People more often than not will take what they are promised. If I developed a condition I had no understanding for I'd likely buy something which promises a cure.

Coming from a sales background people buy off emotion. More often than not when something affects someone in a deeply emotional way, rationality will tend to go out the window.

[deuce]

Those photo's were 100% confirmed fake. The hairs in the macro photo's didn't match and when a forum member corrected the pictures for lighting, there was NO visible change at all. This means that even if the hairs in the macro photo's WOULD match, it still would be from a different patient. In other words, this is 100% UNDENIABLE proof vraf posted fake and doctered photo's. Which means he's working for Pilox and the whole thing is obviously a scam, no way around it anymore.

Then, it turned out Yoram was working for a clinic which sold tons of snake oil therapies, like acupuncture and even therapies where they applied blood suckers to humans to stimulate hairgrowth. If you still believe there's something real here, man, then you DESERVE to get scammed.

Man this is proven fake too? Cosmo by some miracle can you hurry up with your product. Or can we find a vehicle please.

[Pentarou]

Yeah, it's pretty much unquestionably a load of crap. At least it's been debunked quickly.

[Arashi]

This kind of mentality is incredibly arrogant. Essentially you are vouching for a social class that feeds off of another's shortcomings. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Nobody deserves to be scammed... not unless your name is Dr. Nigam.

I dont think its arrogant. I've devoted quite some time to find the truth and see whats real and whats not. Mainly for my self but also to help others. However i still see people defending dr nigam for example, after all that he's done and after all we now know. These were also the kind of people who have been insulting the critics all of the time. If those people get scammed then sorry but i wont lose any sleep over them ...

[rhysmorgan]

Those photo's were 100% confirmed fake. The hairs in the macro photo's didn't match and when a forum member corrected the pictures for lighting, there was NO visible change at all. This means that even if the hairs in the macro photo's WOULD match, it still would be from a different patient. In other words, this is 100% UNDENIABLE proof vraf posted fake and doctered photo's. Which means he's working for Pilox and the whole thing is obviously a scam, no way around it anymore.

Then, it turned out Yoram was working for a clinic which sold tons of snake oil therapies, like acupuncture and even therapies where they applied blood suckers to humans to stimulate hairgrowth. If you still believe there's something real here, man, then you DESERVE to get scammed.

As far as I remember, the debate was based around the hair being different around a tattoo. The other person debating you said it was from a tattoo in the thinner region and from what I could see, this was a reasonable explanation. Unless new information comes to light, I found his explanation to be reasonable.