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Just for the record, medical leeches (and maggots) have their utility in mainstream medicine
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lol guys R E L A X
If you're not interested in Pilox anymore, then leave the thread! Let the people interested in seeing how it plays out do so....
Posting stuff like the leech finding is good, but theres no need to comment uselessly on it over and over and over and overComment
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I think it is fair to point it out because, let's admit it, without the skeptics Yoram would still be pushing his agenda unopposed. I never saw you, hellouser, or other proponents ever made the least effort to analyze the evidence, or even question, you just gave the guy a free pass
You don't want people to comment on the conflicts over and over again, but did you had a problem when the majority of the thread was supporting Pilox over and over?
I think we should collect the quotes where everyone was saying "this is real" and "the photos are not fake" or "I dismiss the russian site" as a warning for people to not repeat their naive optimism again. With the state of HM basically doomed for the next couple of year, cases like this are going to rise from time to timeComment
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Oh yeah, it's cool to see you change your mind, but I mean, most people are already considering Pilox isn't legit, you didn't helped at all when it wasn't the popular opinion.Originally posted by hellouser
You could have read the russian site back then, but you didn't
You could have analyzed the pics before everyone started doing it, but for some reason you didn't
I think you should read all your comments in this thread from the beginning and see why you did more damage with your naive optimismComment
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Again, R E L A X dude
I said it was cool to add to the conversation/analysis by posting opposing or confirming evidence (such as the russian site you posted and the scientific peer-reviewed articles I posted that detailed zinc, copper and ionostpoherinismz)... doing this is good. It's the useless "OK THIS IS A SCAM", "OH OKAY THIS IS LEGIT" "ITS A SCAM" "ITS THE REAL THING" "I BELIVE THIS IS A SCAM".... its these posts that just clog the thread and add nothing to it... I get its human nature for people to share their opinions but it doesn't help much...
also, i feel like most of the people you are calling "naively optimistic" are just saying they want to see how it plays out... which makes them "skeptical but curious" not "naively optimistic"
and I'll be honest, things don't add up for this thing being real. BUT they also don't add up for some of the theories you and arashi propose (that vraf is involved, its a scam, etc.)
There is evidence both ways.. and Yoram isn't charging, and seems to have gone through multiple iterations of his product....so lets just see how it plays out. I agree some evidence you posted is sketchy, but some evidence other's posted is promising.... it just seems too early to call it a scam... it doesn't help anybody to call it before we know for sure.Comment
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I never once saw you complain about overly positive posts. Actually, people like you were hyping this scam like it was the cure for hairloss.
Posts like that are far worse then showing skepticism and exposing inconsistencies like Arashi did.
In the end, this is a forum and not everyone is naive and gullible enough to get excited about a snake oil. You and the piloxll supporters are going to have to tolerate the skepticism instead of whining like you did to roger_that at hs.
If you have financial ties to a product/treatment like Nigam and Yoram/vraf do, you better expect to be heavily scrutinized. Maybe if people were more vocal against Nigam, there wouldn't have been as many people conned as there were...Comment
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1. I'm not a supporter of pilox. I'm a supporter of waiting til we have more conclusive evidence about pilox. I don't get off at the thought of being "the guy who called it a scam first"I never once saw you complain about overly positive posts. Actually, people like you were hyping this scam like it was the cure for hairloss. Posts like that are far worse then showing skepticism and exposing inconsistencies like Arashi did.
In the end, this is a forum and not everyone is naive and gullible enough to get excited about a snake oil. You and the piloxll supporters are going to have to tolerate the skepticism instead of whining like you did to roger_that at hs.
If you have financial ties to a product/treatment like Nigam and Yoram/vraf do, you better expect to be heavily scrutinized. Maybe if people were more vocal against Nigam, there wouldn't have been as many people conned as there were...
2. Yoram isn't charging anyone in trials, and spending 1000+ on each prototype.... not sure how you can compare this to nigam charging, essentially, full price....
3. All I can say is that I don't think vraf is involved, in my opinion. That portion of your theory doesn't add up at all. Is pilox legit? Only time will tell.
4. At this point, you have some websites to point to as your "evidence"... that's about it. Is it worrying? Yes. Is it damning? Not in my opinion.
5. You're not saving anybody from anything... we're all grown ups here.Comment
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I can't tell if you're kidding or if your reading comprehension is that bad.I never once saw you complain about overly positive posts. Actually, people like you were hyping this scam like it was the cure for hairloss. Posts like that are far worse then showing skepticism and exposing inconsistencies like Arashi did.
In the end, this is a forum and not everyone is naive and gullible enough to get excited about a snake oil. You and the piloxll supporters are going to have to tolerate the skepticism instead of whining like you did to roger_that at hs.
If you have financial ties to a product/treatment like Nigam and Yoram/vraf do, you better expect to be heavily scrutinized. Maybe if people were more vocal against Nigam, there wouldn't have been as many people conned as there were...
I said that posting criticism/evidence, like arashi did, is good. It's the baseless posts that are a waste of time.... not being skeptical. Are you following me yet?Comment
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I think if could people report Their results like vraf it would be helpful , elevation is no longer using the device which really sucks , and has been silient as well. Yoram needs to give us more information so people will stop assuming.Comment
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What's the NW of that dude?
I can see a guy with BDD and a perfect hairline just half-assing the whole thing, but Elevation takes part in group buys, so he isn't just an average baldie, it doesn't make sense he isn't using this thing and is still buying other experimentals.
He has been silent about Pilox since december while still posting in other places
What about your friend Oogie? Have you convinced him about coming to the forums?Comment
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I have come across something really interesting (I think!). It would be good if people on the BTT could do more research into what I have found.
I been doing a few searches into Piloxll and I have come across a website in Greece where they are discussing Piloxll.
It seems that some people on the site are using Piloxll and some people are also buying other similar devices that are already on the market. They are not hairloss devices but they are used for delivering ions in a similar way to Piloxll. So they are buying similar devices to deliver copper and zinc ions into their scalp and then combining it with minoxidil.
Google translate doesn't translate Greek to English very accurately, but from what I can just about make out these guys ARE having REGROWTH based on the use of these ion devices.
Also I don't think they secretly work for Piloxll as some of them have been members of this site 3 to 4 years and most of them are discussing similar devices to Piloxll that they are buying off Ebay. They are not actually promoting Piloxll - in fact they are doing the opposite by discussing these ion devices which are not linked to Piloxll.
It seems like these guys on the Greek site are more advanced than us on the BTT in their research into copper and zinc ions and Piloxll.
The Greek website is: http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...18%26bih%3D697
The devices on Ebay are: http://translate.googleusercontent.c...VvgStT7PfS4FYA
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I apologise if I have misunderstood any of this site and have accidently got peoples hopes up, but the site is very difficult to understand even using google translate and I have only read through it quickly! Perhaps someone can spend a bit more time than me analysing it.
CheersComment
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thanks man . Good job ! This forum need some people like you who try to be positive and try to find some new methods to get rid of this damn hair loss , I appreciate your good searching , Hope guys come and help us to find more information . But as you said it seems they have regrowth with that and its a very good sign .Comment
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Hey GuyFromUK thank you for brining this to our attention. I am sure some guys here will check it out thoroughly and let us know.I have come across something really interesting (I think!). It would be good if people on the BTT could do more research into what I have found.
I been doing a few searches into Piloxll and I have come across a website in Greece where they are discussing Piloxll.
It seems that some people on the site are using Piloxll and some people are also buying other similar devices that are already on the market. They are not hairloss devices but they are used for delivering ions in a similar way to Piloxll. So they are buying similar devices to deliver copper and zinc ions into their scalp and then combining it with minoxidil.
Google translate doesn't translate Greek to English very accurately, but from what I can just about make out these guys ARE having REGROWTH based on the use of these ion devices.
Also I don't think they secretly work for Piloxll as some of them have been members of this site 3 to 4 years and most of them are discussing similar devices to Piloxll that they are buying off Ebay. They are not actually promoting Piloxll - in fact they are doing the opposite by discussing these ion devices which are not linked to Piloxll.
It seems like these guys on the Greek site are more advanced than us on the BTT in their research into copper and zinc ions and Piloxll.
The Greek website is: http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...18%26bih%3D697
The devices on Ebay are: http://translate.googleusercontent.c...VvgStT7PfS4FYA
and:
I apologise if I have misunderstood any of this site and have accidently got peoples hopes up, but the site is very difficult to understand even using google translate and I have only read through it quickly! Perhaps someone can spend a bit more time than me analysing it.
Cheers
We have to search any avenue but with sceptical, rational mind. Good of you to let us know!Comment
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