piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[NeedHairASAP]

Pilox is a big fake.

What Vraf wrote on another forum was totally incoherent with regard to the usual development of a product.

he's probably a kid who is bored.

the pics vraf posted have labeled hairs.. the two MACRO images are DEFINITELY the same area....... which means the results are real, and nothing short of amazing.

So not sure what you're basing your conclusions on......photo evidence or a forum poster? i choose photo evidence, personally.

[NeedHairASAP]

Well, I'm not exactly the 'sugercoating' type of person, I pretty much always speak what's on my mind. However I don't insult people here. I didnt trust vraf nor Yoram from the start and that I made very clear, but never insulted him, or Yoram (and as you can see, vraf does insult me the other way around, so maybe you should tell him the same thing then).

The macro pictures match, what do you have to say about that? You should be happy, not throwing a fit because you made a mistake.

[JJJJrS]

The macro pictures match, what do you have to say about that? You should be happy, not throwing a fit because you made a mistake.

No they don't, they don't match at all. Anyone can take a two different spots on the scalp, randomly number some hairs, and claim they're the exact same area. Just ask Nigam.

Let's compare vraf's "analysis" to one I did a year ago. These macro photos though, actually show the same area, 9 months apart, and I think that will be immediately apparent.

Before:


After - 9 months:


I've annotated the two photos to show the recurring patterns in the hair units. Even though the photos are nine months apart and shot in slightly different conditions, the hairs follow the exact same pattern. There is zero doubt it shows the same area.

With vraf's pictures, there are absolutely no recurring patterns. The only conclusion we can make is that the photos are showing completely different areas of the scalp.

[JJJJrS]

Here's a before and after shot of vraf's left side:


The left picture is the before shot and the right picture is the after shot. Only the colour has been slightly adjusted to match between the two photos.

There is absolutely no difference here. In fact, the before photo looks better!

These vraf and yoram guys can't even get their story straight. Be careful everyone, this is another nigam case. Let's not be gullible and let these con artists exploit any more people

[Arashi]

The macro pictures match, what do you have to say about that?

What I have to say about that is this: if they really match, then you should have no problem finding the 8 hairs I marked in the before picture in the after picture, right ?
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/df6f625...bc28ab3b9b.jpg And why are there 3 hairs originating in preop 2 (red) ? And what happened to the thick hair preop 3 (red) ?

What vraf did is put in some arbitrary numbers. There's a lot of hair in the after picture so it's always easy to find a hair somewhat close to the before picture. Anybody can do that. It's like a fortuneteller doing cold-reading, there's always something that somewhat matches. Of course that's no proof at all. The proof that this is NOT the correct picture lies in the marks that I posted in the above.

[Arashi]

And why do you think vraf posted macro/zoomed out pictures for different spots ? Do you think that's a coincidence ? And now he doesn't want to post the correct pictures. Do you really think he just doesn't care ? I'm getting quite a different idea from his posts here ...

And needhairASAP, can you also please post your version of what happened at vraf's barber shop ? Why was there a pilox representative there ? Why was there a booklet when it's still in prototype stage ? Why did this representative show that book to arbitrary clients, anybody who cared, in the shop, while on the other hand there's all this 'hush hush' with private forums etc ? Would love to hear your explanation there mate

And then there's that russian website, Yoram selling snake oil therapies in the past (accupuncture), 5 years of clinical trial without any evidence. .. you name it, so much stuff that doesnt add up at all here ...

[Arashi]

And why is it that Yoram doesnt want to say ANYTHING at all about the method of action of this device ? There are already patents in place ! Yet ... nothing. No explanation at all. And then we see in vraf's photo's not only neogenesis within 2 months, but we see THICK NEW HAIR within 2 months !!! Does that make any sense to you ? You know yourself how long it takes to form thick hair. It makes no sense at all.

And what does Yoram do for a living ? He supposedly had a clinic for years. What did he sell in those years to his clients ?

[porta]

Arashi can you elaborate your teory, i mean puting what do you believe to be their strategy.

[Arashi]

Arashi can you elaborate your teory, i mean puting what do you believe to be their strategy.

What I believe is that they created a device that may (or may not) SOMEWHAT work. In some specific cases it might be beneficial, I don't know. But what I think the strategy is here: they want to pump this product as much as they can and the idea was to create such a big hype (where they pretty much succeeded, 95% of the talk in the private forum was Pilox) that they'd sell tons of product immediately after release. And then, when people would find out after months of testing that their results where not even close to what vraf posted, they had made enough money already and could move on.

If something doesnt work, you'll want to sell as much product as possible in the period that there's uncertainty.

[porta]

What I believe is that they created a device that may (or may not) SOMEWHAT work. In some specific cases it might be beneficial, I don't know. But what I think the strategy is here: they want to pump this product as much as they can and the idea was to create such a big hype (where they pretty much succeeded, 95% of the talk in the private forum was Pilox) that they'd sell tons of product immediately after release. And then, when people would find out after months of testing that their results where not even close to what vraf posted, they had made enough money already and could move on.

If something doesnt work, you'll want to send as much product as possible in the period that there's uncertainty.

but in this case would be more easy going to open forums, not the close ones. But ok i understand your point.

You ask what yoram do for living, he work here http://www.ihc-russia.ru/

If you do your "homework" in that site, you'll have a lot of ammo lol.

[NeedHairASAP]

but in this case would be more easy going to open forums, not the close ones. But ok i understand your point.
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Good point.

Also, why would they go through patenting and 5 iterations of the product, and 6 years of R&D.....just to sell a snake oil? Could they really cover the last 6 years of investment in 2-6 months of sales... about how long they'd have before the bad reviews started to pile in?

Arashi's theory doesn't add up, yet.

To me, it's still worth following this story. We will eventually see. I don't understand Arashi's obsession with prematurely identifying it as a scam. Very strange.

[Arashi]

but in this case would be more easy going to open forums, not the close ones. But ok i understand your point.

You ask what yoram do for living, he work here http://www.ihc-russia.ru/

If you do your "homework" in that site, you'll have a lot of ammo lol.

Wow, awesome find !! I see indeed the relation with Yoram's IHC. There's tons of "interesting" products there LOL

*EDIT* wow that site is a real treasure They even mention accupuncture as basis of the science LOL And Yoram's clinic (IHC) presents reflexology as a viable treatment for hairloss

Thanks Porta, you really made my day

[Arashi]

LOL, there's so much stuff at IHC Russia (Yoram's clinic) that I don't even know where to start (use google (chrome) to translate, cause the interesting stuff is in russian). But if you really believe accupuncture and reflexology can get your hair back, you should probably buy Pilox

So, what do you think about Yoram now, NeedhairASAP ? Still a honest researcher in your book ? Maybe if you start massaging your feet tonight and stick some needles in your ears, you'll have some hair back in 2 months man. But your friends Yoram and vraf can fill you in how to do that exactly. Good luck !

[NeedHairASAP]

LOL, there's so much stuff at IHC Russia (Yoram's clinic) that I don't even know where to start (use google (chrome) to translate, cause the interesting stuff is in russian). But if you really believe accupuncture and reflexology can get your hair back, you should probably buy Pilox

So, what do you think about Yoram now, NeedhairASAP ? Still a honest researcher in your book ? Maybe if you start massaging your feet tonight and stick some needles in your ears, you'll have some hair back in 2 months man. But your friends Yoram and vraf can fill you in how to do that exactly. Good luck !

lol dude relax. You're legit losing your mind over trying to prove this thing wrong. All I've said from the start is let's keep an open, but skeptical mind. Your obsessed with prematurely determining this is a scam.

r e l a x

We'll know soon enough. This website doesn't really change my mind one way or the other. I can't imagine any sane person who would immediately dump Pilox because of this website, or anything else thus far.

[bananana]

arashi,

god, take it easy.
You have like 20 consecutive posts here, we appreciate your concern, but leave it be for now. Time will tell everything.