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I think he undestands that, and what he is trying to say is, how often does scammers let people trial their product for free?... yeah, I know it has happend before, but it is still rare...
Many scammers (keratene, trx, follexen, etc) work knowing that their products will be short lived, they are after the big quick cash, which they know will irremediable stop after people have had enought time to prove it's lack of efficiency. But by letting other people trying it before, the guys from piloxll won't have the same licenses...
Of course... that is just assuming that those trial are not a scam too...Comment
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This is exactly the core of the matter. Hence, IF (!) Pilox were scammers, they'd start pumping their product way before it was available. Then when it comes out, they maximized the amount of people buying it and that's what it's all about, selling as many products as quickly as possible before people realize it doesn't work.
About the trials, not sure what to think of that, this might indeed be a positive sign ...Comment
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As I said this morning, we should all refrain from comments until new info comes in. Pls stop with the speculation, the truth is these are the best mpb related photos ever seen, and that gives me hope.
You cant possibly compare this to nigam or laser helmets photos.Comment
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Thats the same strategy whether they are scammers or not.
Yoram is publishing in a peer reviewed journal and seems pretty honest. He also is taking the protocol of proving his efficacy very seriously. Everything looks decent so far.
Just please don't scare the guy away. Its not often we get to communicate eith people like this.Comment
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I'm thinking about the full possibilities of this device (if it works)
It is obviously using regeneration through wounding somehow, and it is tailored for hairloss but in time what's to say they can't make a device that works the same for skin regeneration.
Granted, they would have to change a few things but people already dermaroll for acne with modest results so this, if all goes well could have many uses.
Who knows, I could end up getting I.D'd again lolComment
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this is not a court of law we reasopnable doubt and innocent till proven guilty, forget it! we require evidence it WORKS!
im hopeful but again the message to all sufferes, plan your future as if this does not work and dont part with your hard earned $$ until we know it worksComment
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They're marketing scheme really does make me laugh (mostly cause it's working). As much as I hope this works, there's some red flags that no one can argue is a bit sketchy. For one, the initial hair salon story of how vraf initially got ahold of the result pictures sounds too much like a fairy tale (not saying he's lying, just how it looks like), and when he did share the pictures why'd he not show us all of them right away. Why did he hold off on those recently leaked pictures. Why are the inventors allowing him to slowly leak information and actually giving him info to leak. You'd think a product that was being released in 8 months deserves at least a small press release or some direct acknowledgment from either Technion (if they are actually involved) or the inventors them selves. Slowly having an anonymous poster on hair loss forums to relay information just seems unprofessional. Lastly I find it really odd they would be willing to share when the product will be released but keep other important information in the dark, such as info on clinical trials (weather it even needs it or not). I can't help but be excited but I probably shouldn't be. There isn't even any evidence those trialists in the pictures are a result of piloxll and not some other drug or procedure.Comment
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I know that this is kinda stating the obvious, but this is what's going to make all the difference so far as I'm concerned.
If these alleged findings are, as you mention, published in a peer reviewed publication and prove to be positive then, well... Where do I sign up?!
I don't suppose that you've any more information as to which journal this may be and when to expect any further developments on this front, NeedHairASAP?Comment
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Allright , I read many post about this new treatment and If you ask my opinion I would say hey dude! this is marketing ! this product would be for sale , so they need to keep on marketing ! It doesn't mean they are scam!
If they didn't release all of their pictures it doesn't necessarily mean they want to sell us something which is scam and they want to empty our pockets!
they need to give us some information to encourage us to buy it when it comes to market but in the other hand they also need to keep the secret because they shouldn't allow other companies to steal their idea !! So I think we should be realistic about that.Comment
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He brought up some very good points, which I brought up too. Regardless of whether they're scammers or not, at least there are several clear red flags here. That whole story of a pilogics representative going to a hairdresser with an album full of result photo's for a product that's still in prototype stage, it just makes no sense. And the sole fact of a researcher joining a forum, that's a red flag by itself in my opinion, and even more so if he doesn't want to talk about how it works, but only about how good the product is.
Of course, it doesn't mean they're not for real, there might actually be something here and I'll refrain from posting criticism on SAGA, where Yoram posts, I'll post it here instead
Of course I also hope it's for real, let that be clear and there's no sign of any fraudulent behaviour at this point at all.Comment
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Basically it's dermarolling. And PRP. On steroids. At least by the sounds of it.He brought up some very good points, which I brought up too. Regardless of whether they're scammers or not, at least there are several clear red flags here. That whole story of a pilogics representative going to a hairdresser with an album full of result photo's for a product that's still in prototype stage, it just makes no sense. And the sole fact of a researcher joining a forum, that's a red flag by itself in my opinion, and even more so if he doesn't want to talk about how it works, but only about how good the product is.
Of course, it doesn't mean they're not for real, there might actually be something here and I'll refrain from posting criticism on SAGA, where Yoram posts, I'll post it here instead
Of course I also hope it's for real, let that be clear and there's no sign of any fraudulent behaviour at this point at all.
Fingers crossed.Comment
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