piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[Jcm800]

This is good news, re Biolabs. I've paid them quite a few hundred pounds - and was led up the garden path.

Glad hear they're struggling, that's welcome news.

[BDDFreak]

Death to all snake oil! Hopefully Yoram Benitah does publish that journal entry about piloxll soon so we can be optimistic with solid reasoning.

[bananana]

do your own homework.

and stop insinuating he is a cheater/scammer and then being like "Im not saying he's a cheater or a scammer"

+1

[Arashi]

do your own homework.

Which translates to "I don't know".

and stop insinuating he is a cheater/scammer and then being like "Im not saying he's a cheater or a scammer"

I'm not insinuating anything. Just saying there are several red flags here, things that don't add up. At this point if I'd have to give it a quote, I'd say 70% chance of scam, 30% chance of something real. But I'm only going to call him a scammer when I'm 99% sure. At this point there's still a real chance that there's something real here.

[Thinning@30]

I too am thrilled to hear Oxford Biolabs isn't doing well. Sadly, I disagree that scam products are destined to be unprofitable. The snake oil sellers are experts at photo trickery, weasel words, and deceptive advertising, as well as staying one step ahead of the law. Just type hair loss into any search engine and look at all the scam products that are still around. Sometimes, the evil part of me thinks I could make a lot of money selling some useless hair loss product.

I hope it is correct that the developers of Pilox will be publishing findings in a respected peer-reviewed journal. Of course, Nigam also promised us he would publish findings in a peer-reviewed journal and we're all still waiting on that...

Arashi, I share your concerns about the Pilox photos that have been posted to the forums. On the other hand, the Pilox photos are still better than 99.0% of the photos I've seen displayed by hair transplant doctors and other snake oil companies as far as controlling for hair length and angle. Also on the plus side, they do seem to be going about things in a much more methodical way than Nigam ever did. It sounds like they're not accepting trialists who use other hair loss products and there is talk about using a trichoscan device. We really need to see photos in combination with objective measures, hair counts, diameter measurements, etc., or at least something that would be very hard to fake, such as videos of patients with hair growing in places where before there were just slick bald patches of skin.

[robodoc]

now everyone of us gets excited about a new hair loss natural or drug that comes along and if they have pics even more but does anyone remember stemcelex that was a few years ago and we all got into that and it turned out to be a scam now im not saying pil is but the isr technion piliel turned out to be another hype that did not do anything for mpb.
Now ru58841 has had its followers since rousell in france trialed it and everyone for many years wanted to get on it it was said b y some to be the mother of all antiandrogens but was non systemic and well tolerated and now people can get it from kane and also a ready mixed version from mpb treatments that is in kb solution and stable for six months people are looking for other so called cures.
I have had these hypes about products since i started losing my hair back in the 80s and thats a long time ago?and i have spent a load of money on some of these things but never got any regrowth exceipt on minoxidil and progestorone in the early stages of my mpb and then when i heard about ru and some started getting hold of it and getting good results thats what i wanted to try and in the early days there was some stability and quality issues but we can use it now.
I hope that pgd2 and cb and oc does work but at this time more are still getting results on ru.

ARE you really commenting or are your comments really trying to sell RU and the other experimental crap? These "clever" posters like to promote any way they can if you read other blogs. Next time you post leave the references, may you make, to PRODUCTS you may have an interest in. Thanks from all.

[robodoc]

This is exactly the core of the matter. Hence, IF (!) Pilox were scammers, they'd start pumping their product way before it was available. Then when it comes out, they maximized the amount of people buying it and that's what it's all about, selling as many products as quickly as possible before people realize it doesn't work.

About the trials, not sure what to think of that, this might indeed be a positive sign ...

Yes perfect marketing plan, keep pumping the product for a year or twp and get every balding guy in the world interested and when the product is finally up for sale, they sell to everyone for roughly 8 months and are rich.
While the patents are curious, pics can be manipulated. I would not get too excited about this product. An apparatus they are selling? I am smelling something.

[saintsfan92344]

I too am thrilled to hear Oxford Biolabs isn't doing well. Sadly, I disagree that scam products are destined to be unprofitable. The snake oil sellers are experts at photo trickery, weasel words, and deceptive advertising, as well as staying one step ahead of the law. Just type hair loss into any search engine and look at all the scam products that are still around. Sometimes, the evil part of me thinks I could make a lot of money selling some useless hair loss product.

I hope it is correct that the developers of Pilox will be publishing findings in a respected peer-reviewed journal. Of course, Nigam also promised us he would publish findings in a peer-reviewed journal and we're all still waiting on that...

Arashi, I share your concerns about the Pilox photos that have been posted to the forums. On the other hand, the Pilox photos are still better than 99.0% of the photos I've seen displayed by hair transplant doctors and other snake oil companies as far as controlling for hair length and angle. Also on the plus side, they do seem to be going about things in a much more methodical way than Nigam ever did. It sounds like they're not accepting trialists who use other hair loss products and there is talk about using a trichoscan device. We really need to see photos in combination with objective measures, hair counts, diameter measurements, etc., or at least something that would be very hard to fake, such as videos of patients with hair growing in places where before there were just slick bald patches of skin.

+1

To me this the best, closest possible cure, the minerals are a major puzzle piece, derma rolling/wounding is a solid piece, I am starting to think timing of adding the minerals especially copper, or certain peptides or ions to the wounding process is a major puzzle piece but we need the complete puzzle, book smarts aside common sense and experience with no monetary influence may bring the cure

[bigentries]

do your own homework.

and stop insinuating he is a cheater/scammer and then being like "Im not saying he's a cheater or a scammer"

Dude, you've been here since 2011, I think you are getting to emotionally attached to this procedure.

Do you have any links where we can verify any of your claims?
I did my homework, but finding info about this is elusive
Where did you even got your info (figures, timelines) in the first place?

[chimera]

I was interested because this was supposed to work through wounding... but now they say it is not wounding, but works "in a similar way" to wounding... I wonder what the hell is that supposed to mean...

[BDDFreak]

I was interested because this was supposed to work through wounding... but now they say it is not wounding, but works "in a similar way" to wounding... I wonder what the hell is that supposed to mean...

I think they meant it's not traditional wounding. As in u probably won't draw blood like people do when derma-rolling. I believe it's still wounding though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[hellouser]

I was interested because this was supposed to work through wounding... but now they say it is not wounding, but works "in a similar way" to wounding... I wonder what the hell is that supposed to mean...

Everything has been speculation. Take the forum members' claims with a fine grain of salt.

[Atum]

I think they meant it's not traditional wounding. As in u probably won't draw blood like people do when derma-rolling. I believe it's still wounding though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe they mean nano wounding?

[robodoc]

Everything has been speculation. Take the forum members' claims with a fine grain of salt.

If they really want to promote their device, give it to someone we know in the forum. Let that person report the results instead of giving away these devices to "other" people. If it worked by the use of one of OUR people, they would become multi millionaires and have a very long line of orders I would think.

Who do you trust?

[bananana]

Yes perfect marketing plan, keep pumping the product for a year or twp and get every balding guy in the world interested and when the product is finally up for sale, they sell to everyone for roughly 8 months and are rich.
While the patents are curious, pics can be manipulated. I would not get too excited about this product. An apparatus they are selling? I am smelling something.

As I stated before, I'm a professional graphic designer with almost 10 year experience in the field and I can say I'm 99.9% these photos are NOT photoshopped or manipulated in any other way. I've manipulated probably over 10000 photos in my career, so I'd say I'm pretty much an expert in the field.
Can you all now please drop the "fake images" false allegations?

As said before - the kind of results cant be HT, cant be photoshop or manipulation