piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

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  • oppenheimer82
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 118

    piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

    discuss this method in here. if results are really that good, this could be a game changer.
  • brunobald
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 169

    #2
    Anyone thinking of a diy attempt?

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    • Thinning87
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 839

      #3
      It's bs don't get too excited folks. Cure won't come at any time before 20 years from now. If all goes well, we might get something better than fin within the next 5-8 years, but most of us here now won't be able to save their hair.

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      • hellouser
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 4419

        #4
        Originally posted by Thinning87
        It's bs don't get too excited folks. Cure won't come at any time before 20 years from now. If all goes well, we might get something better than fin within the next 5-8 years, but most of us here now won't be able to save their hair.
        As negative as this comment is, one cannot possibly at least accept this as a very likely scenario. Nobody gives a rats piss about curing baldness.

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        • chimera
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 171

          #5
          Originally posted by Thinning87
          It's bs don't get too excited folks. Cure won't come at any time before 20 years from now. If all goes well, we might get something better than fin within the next 5-8 years, but most of us here now won't be able to save their hair.
          Yeah... and this could be that something which is not a cure but just something better than fin...

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          • FearTheLoss
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 1581

            #6
            you guys are ridiculous...

            CB- should be a lot better than fin, should be out in 2016 best case, more likely 2017-2018.

            histogen- better than fin and minox, should be released in asia in 2015-2016

            bim- better than minox, should be released in 2015 IN THE USA.

            follica- has grown human hair on bald scalp via wounding, already been through phase I/II trails...adding FGF9 to see if they can get better results...could very well be out in 3 years IN THE USA....as a cure

            PILOFOCUS- scarless hair transplant, should be available in the USA within 6-7 months...WITH DONOR REGENERATION....we just don't know how significant the regeneration is yet...although Artista said the regen pics were "breathtaking"

            PRP- some doctors, including Dr. Wesley are beginning to have more success with this as they toy with the dosage and amount of injections

            Replicel- supposed to be releasing a product in asia in 2015, seems like it's going to be more towards 2016 though. Their results are still better than fin/minox...also they just got a huge investor after they showed their 12 month results to them...could be a sign that they got better results at 12 months

            many doctors are getting some sort of regeneration..it's just a matter of getting it consistently...all we need is 50%+ regen to cure most nw5...and 7% to cure most nw6...85% to cure nw7

            Not to mention, SMP...SMP is showing to be a great addition to add the visual effect of density...(look at joe's video in the SMP section)

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            • rdawg
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2012
              • 996

              #7
              Originally posted by Thinning87
              It's bs don't get too excited folks. Cure won't come at any time before 20 years from now. If all goes well, we might get something better than fin within the next 5-8 years, but most of us here now won't be able to save their hair.
              So you're saying we'll be on mars before we get close to a cure for baldness?

              I dont think the cure is CLOSE, but definitely within a decade away, just judging by all the progress in research right now.

              not necessarily you but Ifeel like some people expect a drug to release without problems within like a year or two and that was never feasible at least in north america.

              BIM is probably the closest thing we have to a release in NA.

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              • FearTheLoss
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 1581

                #8
                Theoretically, most people could have the appearance of a full head of hair next year if they wanted to.....with a combination of SMP and Pilofocus, one could cut the sides to a 1-2 guard and move a good amount of hair to the top..and have hair...regardless of how good the regeneration ends up being

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                • hellouser
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 4419

                  #9
                  Here's an interesting question!

                  If regeneration is supposed to happen with Pilofocus.. what does it matter if we get a traditional hair transplant NOW? We're only MOVING hair from one area to the other... its not being destroyed.

                  Couldn't we just harvest transplanted hair with Pilofocus in the recipient area and re-implant in surrounding areas and regenerate donor hair at the top/front thats originally been at the back of the head??

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                  • FearTheLoss
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 1581

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hellouser
                    Here's an interesting question!

                    If regeneration is supposed to happen with Pilofocus.. what does it matter if we get a traditional hair transplant NOW? We're only MOVING hair from one area to the other... its not being destroyed.

                    Couldn't we just harvest transplanted hair with Pilofocus in the recipient area and re-implant in surrounding areas and regenerate donor hair at the top/front thats originally been at the back of the head??
                    Theoretically, yes we could. Granted you waited about 20+ months so the hair is as physically mature as it is going to get..That could, in fact, create an unlimited donor supply as you could just keep moving hair around and letting it regenerate..


                    That all being said, I'm done waiting guys. I schedule my first ever hair transplant with Dr. Rahal, to get my hairline fixed next month.

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                    • crafter
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 239

                      #11
                      Originally posted by FearTheLoss
                      Theoretically, most people could have the appearance of a full head of hair next year if they wanted to.....with a combination of SMP and Pilofocus, one could cut the sides to a 1-2 guard and move a good amount of hair to the top..and have hair...regardless of how good the regeneration ends up being
                      you're overly optimistic. Where did he say this? "although Artista said the regen pics were "breathtaking""? i've seen the one pic from Dr Wesley and looks nothing amazing - about 5 hairs

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                      • hellouser
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 4419

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FearTheLoss
                        That all being said, I'm done waiting guys. I schedule my first ever hair transplant with Dr. Rahal, to get my hairline fixed next month.
                        Oh snap!

                        How many grafts and whats the $$$$ amount?

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                        • FearTheLoss
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 1581

                          #13
                          Originally posted by crafter
                          you're overly optimistic. Where did he say this? "although Artista said the regen pics were "breathtaking""? i've seen the one pic from Dr Wesley and looks nothing amazing - about 5 hairs
                          it's somewhere in one of the pilofocus threads where people were discussing the conference presentation in san fran..

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                          • FearTheLoss
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 1581

                            #14
                            Originally posted by hellouser
                            Oh snap!

                            How many grafts and whats the $$$$ amount?
                            yup...had to pull the trigger hell, I want to live my life to the fullest and I don't want hairloss to hamper that. I am getting 1700 grafts FUE and it cost me somewhere around 13k I believe...

                            I'm planning on continuing transplants as my hairloss progresses until I run out of donor or something better comes along...

                            At the end of the day, some hair on top of your head, even transplants for a nw6...is always better than no hair on top of your head...and with the combination of smp and transplants, I believe we are seeing a new era in restoration here


                            I can't tell you how excited I am to have Dr. Rahal doing my hairline.

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                            • hellouser
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 4419

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FearTheLoss
                              yup...had to pull the trigger hell, I want to live my life to the fullest and I don't want hairloss to hamper that. I am getting 1700 grafts FUE and it cost me somewhere around 13k I believe...

                              I'm planning on continuing transplants as my hairloss progresses until I run out of donor or something better comes along...

                              At the end of the day, some hair on top of your head, even transplants for a nw6...is always better than no hair on top of your head...and with the combination of smp and transplants, I believe we are seeing a new era in restoration here


                              I can't tell you how excited I am to have Dr. Rahal doing my hairline.
                              At that price though you may as well go to Dr. Gho for *some* regeneration, no? And is Dr Rahal still not scarless?

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