wtf is going with HISTOGEN phase 2b?

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  • JDW
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    Depends what Norwood you are. For NW5+, the current crop of treatments are disgusting and intolerable.
    I hear you man, time to see some sort of progressive advances somewhere.

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  • Vox
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    Originally posted by Hicks
    How much would you guys pay a month to regrow all your hair for the rest of your life?
    I am NW7 and I would not give more than $10K to get all my hair back. Of course in this NW grade there is no reasonable solution today.

    Baldness should stop being considered as a cosmetic issue. It must gain the status of a health problem to be treated for cheap, reimbursed partly by insurance companies. Just look at the havoc it wrecks in the psychology of younger men and the social problems it creates for them in many developed countries (the U.S.A. and Canada being the flagships in this). Again, it is not a cosmetic issue.

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  • Hicks
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    Originally posted by strife91
    I would be out in the streets selling myself to whoever , looking nice and pretty with a thick nw1 haha just to pay for it. Fml
    Lol right there with you.

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  • greatjob!
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    I would prostitute myself...

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  • TheSwingingGate
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    Originally posted by Hicks
    How much would you guys pay a month to regrow all your hair for the rest of your life?
    I would treat it like another car payment.

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  • strife91
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    I would be out in the streets selling myself to whoever , looking nice and pretty with a thick nw1 haha just to pay for it. Fml

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  • win200
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    A lot.
    I think I'd go $2k/mo. to regrow permanently down to a NW0 for life.

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  • hellouser
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    Originally posted by Hicks
    If you where a nw5 you would need lots of money for a HT. Even if there was donor regeneration/doubling. It's not about the process it's about the process for research and development I.e.overhead. that being said what incentives would merk or anyone have? Even with fin your target is small once you kick out users that don't get sides. I really don't see the economics why a company would have a better product than fin. Fin is cheap. I really hope I'm wrong with my economics theory. How much would you guys pay a month to regrow all your hair for the rest of your life?
    A lot.

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  • Hicks
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    Depends what Norwood you are. For NW5+, the current crop of treatments are disgusting and intolerable.
    If you where a nw5 you would need lots of money for a HT. Even if there was donor regeneration/doubling. It's not about the process it's about the process for research and development I.e.overhead. that being said what incentives would merk or anyone have? Even with fin your target is small once you kick out users that don't get sides. I really don't see the economics why a company would have a better product than fin. Fin is cheap. I really hope I'm wrong with my economics theory. How much would you guys pay a month to regrow all your hair for the rest of your life?

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  • hellouser
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    Originally posted by JDW
    Although looking on the positive 10% is no more loss...not slowing down of loss but stopping it right in its tracks...meaning that you could go down the HT route without worrying about future loss.
    Depends what Norwood you are. For NW5+, the current crop of treatments are disgusting and intolerable.

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  • JDW
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    Although looking on the positive 10% is no more loss...not slowing down of loss but stopping it right in its tracks...meaning that you could go down the HT route without worrying about future loss.

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  • Scientalk56
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    Originally posted by Imalmostbald
    10% increase.. Its very bad, don't evaluate your opinion of it based on those 2 shit pictures. Those are probably the best results they could achieve. Further than that its a temporary treatment anyway, your still susceptible to constant paracrine alteration through the constant supply of anti androgens. So you would be in need of a anti-androgen of any like or you would lose those already minor beneficial gains. You could do repeated treatments with HSC injections, yes. But what do you think the costs will be ? Again as i said, its nothing special those pictures and ive seen minoxidil results only which are 100x better as their results.

    Your better off taking a hair transplant if you compare them together, especially with donor (hopefully) regen soon imo.
    agree... 10 percent is total bullshit

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  • hellouser
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    Originally posted by Imalmostbald
    10% increase.. Its very bad, don't evaluate your opinion of it based on those 2 shit pictures. Those are probably the best results they could achieve. Further than that its a temporary treatment anyway, your still susceptible to constant paracrine alteration through the constant supply of anti androgens. So you would be in need of a anti-androgen of any like or you would lose those already minor beneficial gains. You could do repeated treatments with HSC injections, yes. But what do you think the costs will be ? Again as i said, its nothing special those pictures and ive seen minoxidil results only which are 100x better as their results.

    Your better off taking a hair transplant if you compare them together, especially with donor (hopefully) regen soon imo.
    Actually, if the growth factors are strong enough, they could and should render DHT ineffective. No need for finasteride or other crap.

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  • Imalmostbald
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    LOL!

    The results are shit compared to what I'd expect in 2013 (a full blown cure thats long overdue) but I would definitely take a Histogen treatment right now.
    10% increase.. Its very bad, don't evaluate your opinion of it based on those 2 shit pictures. Those are probably the best results they could achieve. Further than that its a temporary treatment anyway, your still susceptible to constant paracrine alteration through the constant supply of anti androgens. So you would be in need of a anti-androgen of any like or you would lose those already minor beneficial gains. You could do repeated treatments with HSC injections, yes. But what do you think the costs will be ? Again as i said, its nothing special those pictures and ive seen minoxidil results only which are 100x better as their results.

    Your better off taking a hair transplant if you compare them together, especially with donor (hopefully) regen soon imo.

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  • hellouser
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    Originally posted by Imalmostbald
    They secret the growth factors from fibroblasts and they ain't e.coli derived. You need a lab with proper equipment to replicate them, its not hard to do it though. But on the other hand their results are shit.
    LOL!

    The results are shit compared to what I'd expect in 2013 (a full blown cure thats long overdue) but I would definitely take a Histogen treatment right now.

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