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  • baldozer
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 752

    #16
    Baldness is a really frustrating condition. It seems to be so easily solvable, but yet there is no solution.

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      #17
      Originally posted by baldozer
      Baldness is a really frustrating condition. It seems to be so easily solvable, but yet there is no solution.
      There is a solution. Take skin cells, convert them into stem cells, convert those into hair germs and inject them into the scalp. Tsuji labs already grew hair like that. They 'just' need to test it on humans.

      The first ever human clinic trial using IPS cells just recently started. I'm hoping Tsuji will start in 2014-2015. So yeah we're looking at 8-10 years.

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      • Artha
        Member
        • Jun 2013
        • 73

        #18
        Originally posted by Arashi
        I'm hoping Tsuji will start in 2014-2015.
        The same years that Histogen release their product in Asia.

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        • garethbale
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 603

          #19
          Originally posted by Arashi
          There is a solution. Take skin cells, convert them into stem cells, convert those into hair germs and inject them into the scalp. Tsuji labs already grew hair like that. They 'just' need to test it on humans.

          The first ever human clinic trial using IPS cells just recently started. I'm hoping Tsuji will start in 2014-2015. So yeah we're looking at 8-10 years.
          Arashi (& Desmond)

          Do you think Tsuji might be able to fast track a 'cure' or treamtent, given Japans advances in the speed of trials etc...so 4-6 years rather than 8-10?

          Also, are Tsuji actually working on creating hair follicles, and do they plan on releasing a marketabe product?

          Cheers

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          • Arashi
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 3888

            #20
            Originally posted by garethbale
            Arashi (& Desmond)

            Do you think Tsuji might be able to fast track a 'cure' or treamtent, given Japans advances in the speed of trials etc...so 4-6 years rather than 8-10?

            Also, are Tsuji actually working on creating hair follicles, and do they plan on releasing a marketabe product?

            Cheers
            Last thing they said regarding this was in 2012:

            "We would like to start clinical research within three to five years, so that an actual treatment to general patients can start within a decade', another of the researchers, Dr Koh-ei Toyoshima, a project researcher at the Research Institute for Science and Technology, was quoted by IOL SciTech as saying."

            That guy is the leader of their hair follicle regeneration team: http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/members/organo/hair.html

            But that was beginning 2012, things went very fast since then and I don't think they expected the Japanese government to OK the first clinical IPS cell trial ever in 2013 already ! And then there were some big breakthroughs regarding IPS cells recently. So things are looking good and who knows ... I'm kind of hoping/expecting the start of their trial in late 2014/2015, though that obviously is just my speculation.

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            • ar50
              Senior Member
              • May 2013
              • 115

              #21
              In 10 years im 33 and bald and the best years of snathing poon tang are already over.
              Its nice for the nouveau baldies who are around 13 14 but to be honest: we are ****ed.

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              • Arashi
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 3888

                #22
                But before they can start I think they want to proof-of-concept the whole process first. the hair they created in 2012 was made out of exisiting stem cells and the idea now is that they want to make them from IPS cells. So again, my speculation is that they're currently performing that proof-of-concept trial and when succesful (and really why shouldn't it be, they already proved the hardest part), they can start their clinical trials.

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                • TO YOUNG TO RETIRE
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 638

                  #23
                  at least we will have sth. and their cure will be high density..

                  have you seen what full hair makes an old guy look like?
                  33 we will still be young....

                  but i think we will have sth earlier...

                  maybe nigams procedures evolve to even better ones?
                  who knows..........

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                  • Arashi
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 3888

                    #24
                    Originally posted by ar50
                    In 10 years im 33 and bald and the best years of snathing poon tang are already over.
                    Its nice for the nouveau baldies who are around 13 14 but to be honest: we are ****ed.
                    I disagree man. I'm 38. My business partner is 42, he's balding and worrying too. Really, if you're 42, this WILL matter to YOU too. Heck, this will even matter when you're 60.

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                    • Desmond84
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 987

                      #25
                      I fully understand everyone's frustrations. Believe me, there are days I'm ranting as well. But, don't forget that we are talking about a proven technique that will bring everyone back to a NW1. That's a huge claim that has not been possible by any other treatment in the past or in the pipeline today!

                      To be fair, Tsuji lab published their first paper on hair follicle regeneration on April 2012! It's only been 18 months...I personally think they are moving very rapidly and have the very intention of bringing out these therapies ASAP.

                      Just think about it this way. If Tsuji wasn't doing this research, Lauster would still be working on his microchip technology and Histogen and Replicel were slowly making progress on their treatments which are no where near a cure anyways.

                      So waiting 10 years, knowing that this will be the ultimate cure (if proven safe in humans obviously) makes me VERY happy. Because as many members would tell you on this forum, it doesn't matter how old you are! You will ALWAYS care about your hairloss and want to do something about it.

                      Guys, we have a regenerative medicine company directly researching how to engineer hair follicles when all the other labs and scientists are working on neurones, heart cells and lung tissue! We are so lucky Tsuji exists!

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                      • ar50
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2013
                        • 115

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Arashi
                        I disagree man. I'm 38. My business partner is 42, he's balding and worrying too. Really, if you're 42, this WILL matter to YOU too. Heck, this will even matter when you're 60.
                        Hey man Im sorry i sounded a bit stupid. Hair loss is something which affects us all no mather the age. Its just that i see my friends with beautiful cristiano ronaldo hair and they have the confidence and everything. And im almost 23 so you should know that around my age things are a bit different.I should be careless about hairloss. But i am not and since my 19th age i am constantly thinking about my hair.

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                        • ar50
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2013
                          • 115

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Desmond84
                          I fully understand everyone's frustrations. Believe me, there are days I'm ranting as well. But, don't forget that we are talking about a proven technique that will bring everyone back to a NW1. That's a huge claim that has not been possible by any other treatment in the past or in the pipeline today!

                          To be fair, Tsuji lab published their first paper on hair follicle regeneration on April 2012! It's only been 18 months...I personally think they are moving very rapidly and have the very intention of bringing out these therapies ASAP.

                          Just think about it this way. If Tsuji wasn't doing this research, Lauster would still be working on his microchip technology and Histogen and Replicel were slowly making progress on their treatments which are no where near a cure anyways.

                          So waiting 10 years, knowing that this will be the ultimate cure (if proven safe in humans obviously) makes me VERY happy. Because as many members would tell you on this forum, it doesn't matter how old you are! You will ALWAYS care about your hairloss and want to do something about it.

                          Guys, we have a regenerative medicine company directly researching how to engineer hair follicles when all the other labs and scientists are working on neurones, heart cells and lung tissue! We are so lucky Tsuji exists!



                          Dear Desmond,

                          I notice that you have a lot of knowledge about Tsuji and about hair loss in general.
                          In your opinion: How long will it take for them to start trails, and finish them?
                          And which changes could accelerate the process?

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                          • Vox
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 298

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Arashi
                            I disagree man. I'm 38. My business partner is 42, he's balding and worrying too. Really, if you're 42, this WILL matter to YOU too. Heck, this will even matter when you're 60.
                            Agreed on all counts. By that time I will be around 55 and NW7. But I would happily jump on the train if that was a reasonably priced cure.

                            It is not always about looks or girls (which do not matter to me). It is about feeling entire. Baldness is a form of singular mutilation, this is why we feel so bad about it.

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                            • UK_
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 2691

                              #29
                              These guys are years off - pointless getting all worked up over something so far off.

                              Aderans were supposed to releasing a Ji Gami protocol next year - it's all gone to shit - everything has gone to shit.

                              Our only hope at the moment is if Replicel can release something in 2015 in an Asian country or if Nigam and Mwamba can really bring something credible to the table (doubling looks very very very very interesting) - if Nigam is really doubling then it will be a weight off my shoulders as we will all be able to become NW2 even if you are NW6/7.

                              I wouldnt care about hair loss if I was a NW2 by doubling - id know I most likely wont progress any more and I could then get on with my life... everything rests on what Dr Mwamba has to say about Nigams work and we should find out before 2014.

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                              • bibz
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2013
                                • 102

                                #30
                                i will be 30, that's fine, and until that guyz we will have cb histogen and nigam and certainly aderans, replicel and follica, so thats cool brothers

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