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  • clandestine
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 2002

    Hellouser; do you leave the blood on your head? Or do you wash it off after rolling?

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    • hellouser
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 4419

      Originally posted by clandestine
      Hellouser; do you leave the blood on your head? Or do you wash it off after rolling?
      Last two times I dermarolled I wiped it off. I noticed that the blood leaves ugly brown patches on my scalp that stay for a while.

      Also, something to think about; when wisdom teeth are removed, the blood dries up from the blood clot and closes the holes where the teeth used to be. Maybe someone can chime in, but would wiping off the blood slow down the healing process? As far as I know, Follica applies some kind of substance to the wounded area that slows down the healing process which is supposed to induce hair follicle neogenesis. Thoughts?

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      • cichlidfort
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 262

        Originally posted by hellouser
        Maybe someone can chime in, but would wiping off the blood slow down the healing process?
        Maybe initially it might prolong the clotting process but overall I doubt it would slow down the healing process. Blood clotting is one the few bodily mechanisms that supports positive feedback (e.g. giving birth, inflammation, blood clotting, fever etc). The activity of the thrombocytes signals the body for more thrombocytes until the wound is blocked. Any other takes on it?

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        • LevonHelms
          Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 62

          Originally posted by hellouser
          I'm switching over to dermarolling every two weeks. However, I'm being more aggressive with wounding each time I do it; drawing more blood, pressing as hard as possible (full 1.5mm depth), rolling many time over the same area and sometimes 1-3x in a single day.

          A couple weeks ago I dermarolled 3 times in one day at 2 hour intervals and applied minox shortly after during one of the sessions. It stung, due to the alcohol, but no side effects what so ever.

          My reasons for waiting a two week period is in regards to the following graph on wounding and healing process:



          Notice that at the 7-14 day mark there are a LOT of interesting things happening? By dermarolling/wounding every 7 days its POSSIBLE that we are in constant reset mode and the healing process is never achieved, thus not inducing the necessary growth factors.

          When I waited my two week period, I noticed that a LOT of dead skin was being shed after 7 days, which could suggest that this time frame works.
          Looking at the graph, it may turn out that 2 weeks is the better time frame.
          Personally I'm liking what I see with the 1 week interval, and I'm beginning to wonder if the initial period of vasodilation may be the key player. I'm wondering this, because I've noticed all of the smaller hairs seem to go into a hyper growth phase in the 2-3 days after rolling.

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          • DesperateOne
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 289

            It is now confirmed, this study will not achieve WIHN, it will only improve old hair and revive some old ones that were going to jump ship. It is still worth doing.

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            • MackJames
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 165

              Originally posted by LevonHelms
              Looking at the graph, it may turn out that 2 weeks is the better time frame.
              Personally I'm liking what I see with the 1 week interval, and I'm beginning to wonder if the initial period of vasodilation may be the key player. I'm wondering this, because I've noticed all of the smaller hairs seem to go into a hyper growth phase in the 2-3 days after rolling.

              Two weeks may be better but I'm going to continue following the guidelines of the study for the duration. After the study period is over I will experiment with different application times.

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              • MackJames
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 165

                Originally posted by DesperateOne
                It is now confirmed, this study will not achieve WIHN, it will only improve old hair and revive some old ones that were going to jump ship. It is still worth doing.


                It's been confirmed?

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                • clandestine
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 2002

                  Originally posted by MackJames
                  It's been confirmed?
                  No; I wouldn't listen to the user DesperateOne, personally.

                  Erratic.

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                  • Chromeo
                    Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 86

                    Originally posted by clandestine
                    No; I wouldn't listen to the user DesperateOne, personally.

                    Erratic.
                    I would tend to agree. The name is a bit of a giveaway.

                    Confirmed by whom, exactly?

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                    • cichlidfort
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 262

                      Originally posted by DesperateOne
                      It is now confirmed, this study will not achieve WIHN, it will only improve old hair and revive some old ones that were going to jump ship. It is still worth doing.
                      Don't deter new readers or members from trying this by announcing "it's been confirmed" when it clearly hasn't.

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                      • LevonHelms
                        Member
                        • Jul 2013
                        • 62

                        Originally posted by MackJames
                        It's been confirmed?
                        No, nothing has been confirmed. It's all still conjecture at this point.

                        However, it's thought that actual neo-genesis might be impossible outside of Dr. Cotsarelis's lab. No surprise there, neo-genesis would be like turning lead into gold, a miracle. Neo-genesis would involve the formation of a complete follicle structure from scratch; sebaceous gland, dermal papilla, bulge region full of stem cells, all of it. This is what desperateone is referring to.

                        Regeneration, is what we're looking for, we don't need neo-genesis.

                        Everything that would be formed by neo-genesis of hair structures is already in our scalp! The idea is to hit the reset switch by wounding and activate all the dormant and miniaturised hairs!

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                        • brunobald
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 169

                          Ah crap... The evidence is there levon, maybe not in the dermarolling community but neogenesis has been reported in multiple cases. All creating brand spanking new follicles. The most compelling is the case of young burns victims with almost complete hair loss having their scalps stretched by inflating water ballons under the skin. Under tension new skin forms over the gallon to release the pressure. This new skin contains new follicules. Search the forum for details I posted this a while back.

                          Then you have doctor cole and nigams regen. The complicated follicule structure has been removed leaving only part of the lower follicule in place, yet it completely regrows itsel from only a fraction of a follicle.

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                          • LevonHelms
                            Member
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 62

                            Yes, you're right Bruno.
                            I should of prefaced "In the context of dermarolling, neo-genesis seems unlikely, but not impossible.". That's the whole point, we don't know. It's damn sure doing something.

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                            • MackJames
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 165

                              Just completed my eighth week of rolling. I have a question for my hair loss homies How do I go about taking a good pic of my white hair? I'm only 36 but my hair is basically white with a spattering of black and very short.

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                              • cichlidfort
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 262

                                Originally posted by MackJames
                                Just completed my eighth week of rolling. I have a question for my hair loss homies How do I go about taking a good pic of my white hair? I'm only 36 but my hair is basically white with a spattering of black and very short.
                                You can probably edit the picture. Are you using one of the new smart phones to take the pics?

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