Dermarolling Community Trial

[chimera]

I have heard that before... but where does it says so?

[fred970]

No results then? RIP dermarolling.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

fred what is wrong?

please my friend put your brain and understand..

results are real but they happen months after ending the 3 month rolling as in the study ...

they say it clearly

continued growth was sustained when they met the patients months after...and it is clear in the pic...the second hairy one is not at 12th week but at the time they met them months after completing the study....

it makes absolute sence.....

No results then? RIP dermarolling.

[vanityhair]

Finally beginning to see some vellus hair action around the temples and hairline; nothing significant but quite a few small hairs.

Although I am thinning all over in a diffuse pattern, I am concentrating most of my rolling to my hairline, mainly because my hair is long on top and it's difficult to get at it with the roller. Are others having this problem? My thought is that if I manage to get some terminals going around the hairline, then I should shave my head short and go for it all over my head, but until then I really don't want to have short hair.

[LevonHelms]

fred what is wrong?

please my friend put your brain and understand..

results are real but they happen months after ending the 3 month rolling as in the study ...

they say it clearly

continued growth was sustained when they met the patients months after...and it is clear in the pic...the second hairy one is not at 12th week but at the time they met them months after completing the study....

it makes absolute sence.....

Fred likes to go around pissing in everybody's Cheerios. He's a miserable tool, ignore him.

[bigentries]

important


the pics with the results in the study of the guy with success and grown hair were taken at the time of the last check 8 month after first roll



the results are promising and named as continued growth after end of rolls...



so guys do it 12 times as in the study and you will gain growth from which growth you will see the best benefits months after ending it.....



the small hairs noticed at sixth week they were monitored with specific cameras and shaved haeds...

Where are people getting that the results are from 8 months? Why would they label them as 12 week pics in the first place?

So they stopped after 12 weeks and then it kept growing?
If that's the case, why did the minox-onlyguys never went back to baseline? 5 months after discontinuing minox is enough to see massive shedding

There's something fishy here

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

yes it kept cause the effect they took advantage of was platelet stem cells growth factors released during wounding and increased by minox....

propably the minox only guys were non good responders or 3 month was not significant for minox?or we dont know if they dropped slightly after?

Where are people getting that the results are from 8 months? Why would they label them as 12 week pics in the first place?

So they stopped after 12 weeks and then it kept growing?
If that's the case, why did the minox-onlyguys never went back to baseline? 5 months after discontinuing minox is enough to see massive shedding

There's something fishy here

[bigentries]

yes it kept cause the effect they took advantage of was platelet stem cells growth factors released during wounding and increased by minox....

propably the minox only guys were non good responders or 3 month was not significant for minox?or we dont know if they dropped slightly after?

Can't see anything there

No you don't get the point. If the dermarolling group pics were taken after 8 months, then I guess the minox only group was taken after 8 months too.

Even them show some regrowth, a regrowth that is impossible to sustain after discontinuing minox for 5 months

Anyway, labeling an 8 month pic as a 3 month results is plain wrong, I doubt anyone is going to see anything at 8 months, it's pretty clear at this point that the study was very biased or even completely fabricated

For me, I'm at week 10, still nothing. Will give it another month, maybe post pics and quit

[PinotQ]

The study is confusing in that they say they clipped the hair at the area being counted at both the beginning and again at the 12 week mark, yet neither set of pics seem to show that, with the possible exception of the minoxidil only photo. And they say that they questioned the subjects at the 8 month mark but they do not say they took pictures. So this is confusing. However, in line with what Too Young To Retire is pointing out, I believe the platelet stem cells growth factors theory is entirely possible. I say this b/c I had acell/prp before and my hair started looking thicker and healthier at the 4 month mark. I can't say for sure if I had new hairs but I can definitely say I had cosmetically visible hairs at the 4 month mark that were very light and weak at the beginning. So I think what happens is that all of the hairs that are savable get thicker, darker and longer. I was told at the beginning of my procedure that I would not notice anything before 4 months although I'm sure a high powered close-up would detect growth much earlier. I'm not saying that weekly derma-rolling does the same thing but I think it is entirely plausible given the theoretical science behind it and given my particular experience. It may even be better than acell/prp b/c of the consistent weekly rolling and recruitment of stem cells/growth factors. I also note that the reason I googled this blog was b/c of Dr. Rassman at the balding blog (who notoriously downplays new possibilities) who said in his blog that he was actually thinking about offering this type of derma-rolling procedure. We know from the research that wounded skin/scalp in a favorable environment can induce denovo hair growth so while minoxidil may not be a powerful enough changer of the environment to accomplish that, it may very well be powerful enough to save damaged hair at a much stronger and more consistent level than any of the other options we have to date.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

thats why the growth came later after the end of 12th week...

The study is confusing in that they say they clipped the hair at the area being counted at both the beginning and again at the 12 week mark, yet neither set of pics seem to show that, with the possible exception of the minoxidil only photo. And they say that they questioned the subjects at the 8 month mark but they do not say they took pictures. So this is confusing. However, in line with what Too Young To Retire is pointing out, I believe the platelet stem cells growth factors theory is entirely possible. I say this b/c I had acell/prp before and my hair started looking thicker and healthier at the 4 month mark. I can't say for sure if I had new hairs but I can definitely say I had cosmetically visible hairs at the 4 month mark that were very light and weak at the beginning. So I think what happens is that all of the hairs that are savable get thicker, darker and longer. I was told at the beginning of my procedure that I would not notice anything before 4 months although I'm sure a high powered close-up would detect growth much earlier. I'm not saying that weekly derma-rolling does the same thing but I think it is entirely plausible given the theoretical science behind it and given my particular experience. It may even be better than acell/prp b/c of the consistent weekly rolling and recruitment of stem cells/growth factors. I also note that the reason I googled this blog was b/c of Dr. Rassman at the balding blog (who notoriously downplays new possibilities) who said in his blog that he was actually thinking about offering this type of derma-rolling procedure. We know from the research that wounded skin/scalp in a favorable environment can induce denovo hair growth so while minoxidil may not be a powerful enough changer of the environment to accomplish that, it may very well be powerful enough to save damaged hair at a much stronger and more consistent level than any of the other options we have to date.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

Q: How soon will see results and how long will they last?
A: New hair growth becomes visible in most cases within 6-8 months after ACell treatment


from Dr that does prp and acell///

so if i am not mistaken prp and acell injections mimic natures platelet rich plasma and growth factos etc....

thats why in the study the hairy guys is pictured at 8 month...

and you know what?

i believe that even after they kept growing...

so all of you keep rolling and replicate the staudy as close as possible and then wait just wait .....

[vraf]

Please Help With Instructions

Hi Guys,

Can anyone please help:

1. What is the most suitable dermaroller brand recommended? links to an
online stores will be very helpful.

2. The wounds on the scalp must be very visible through the thin hair, how do
you avoid that everyone can see it and of course respond?

3. Is it better to have a long hair or very short?

4. How can I know that I rolled hard enough and how hard do I need to
press?

If there's a post with answers to the above I'll be glad to receive the link.

Thanks a lot!

[clandestine]

Wounds on the scalp aren't very visible; I have ashamed head and they disappear mostly by the next day, 1.5mm roller.

Short hair is better.

You'll start to see little blood dots, this is usually an indication you're going hard enough. Your scalp should be red and irritated.

[Pentarou]

Perfect response, clan.

I also find the redness gone by 24 hours (when I know it's minox time). You'll get dotty blood spots that dry very quickly. You'd have to really hurt yourself to draw rivulets of blood.

You can roll longer hair, but you have to take your time to avoid hair pulling. Takes a few weeks to get the technique nailed.

[vraf]

Wounds on the scalp aren't very visible; I have ashamed head and they disappear mostly by the next day, 1.5mm roller.

Short hair is better.

You'll start to see little blood dots, this is usually an indication you're going hard enough. Your scalp should be red and irritated.

Thanks Clandestine!
Regarding the roller- can you please recommend reliable manufacturers?