Dermarolling Community Trial

[LevonHelms]

This bothers me a lot too...



Yeah, but if not some kind of regrowth, then I think that we should be able to see at least this effect by now... and we're not

I am! My hair is without a doubt, growing crazy fast.

[clandestine]

Everyone;

How long do we let the roller soak in Isopropyl in order to clean it after rolling? A couple minutes?

[DesperateOne]

For those of you who are doing this experiment without minox, it will be useless to you. It has already been proven by Dr. Cot that Derma rolling alone will create peach fuzz but that's it, it will not create terminal hair. Just saying this because I know there is a few people out there that are doing this experiment without the minox. Also, yes if you really want to see results, then you will need to do it more aggressively, I have already ordered my 2.5mm roller and it should be here next week. There is some people that say that the 2.5mm actually hurts less than the 1.5mm, I do hope that is true. It might be because when you get a deeper wound, usually your body tries to counteract with natural painkillers produced in your brain. Anyway, good luck to every and remember to be consistent and do it for at least 6 months.

[greatjob!]

About the pain, I'm not condoning drug use but before I roll I have a few drinks and "shmoke a belw" (for my workaholic fans) and I feel nothing. Better than jerking off or rubbing jizz on your head or whatever other members were talking about.

[LongWayHome]

For those of you who are doing this experiment without minox, it will be useless to you. It has already been proven by Dr. Cot that Derma rolling alone will create peach fuzz but that's it, it will not create terminal hair. Just saying this because I know there is a few people out there that are doing this experiment without the minox. Also, yes if you really want to see results, then you will need to do it more aggressively, I have already ordered my 2.5mm roller and it should be here next week. There is some people that say that the 2.5mm actually hurts less than the 1.5mm, I do hope that is true. It might be because when you get a deeper wound, usually your body tries to counteract with natural painkillers produced in your brain. Anyway, good luck to every and remember to be consistent and do it for at least 6 months.

That's the spirit.

[doke]

I got balkan 176 its 88% volume in uk from whisky exchange.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

guys is 540 needles not good? might it work less? can find 192 in my area....

http://www.droller.gr/store/

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

i ordered it
will it do as 192?

[clandestine]

Everyone;

How long do we let the roller soak in Isopropyl in order to clean it after rolling? A couple minutes?

Please someone answer;

[Stocione]

Let it soak overnight, that's what I do.

[Stocione]

No, 192 gives better penetration and deeper wounding for sure. Think of the person sleeping on a bed of needles.

[Stocione]

You guys are just repeating every mistake everyone has ever made on this and other forums. People on here jump on and off treatments because they didn't see results within a month or two, and they never know if it would have worked because they didn't wait long enough. I know what the study said, but you can't realistically expect any treatment for hairloss to show cosmetic results before 6 months or longer. There is a reason why fin and minox take time to work, and it's not because they are shit treatments, it's because it takes time to reverse miniaturization and hair grows at a snails pace. Everyone needs to relax. Just roll every week and try not to think about it. I'm planning on doing this for a year before I decide if I will quit or not.

Again, as far as I know, only one guy has shown pics, and while at least he is getting something, it's not the amount of growth reported and easily explained with just minox use. And it wasn't just the dermarolling group, one pic in the minox group also shows an extreme grow for just 3 months

I'm sorry but "remaining optimistic" usually means to avoid any critical thinking in hair loss forums, I choose to remain skeptic, not "negative", I'm still on the trial, but I refuse to fool myself into not seeing that some things just don't add up

I'm glad you are staying on the treatment but have to disagree that you are using critical thinking. It seems to me that you've been around for so long that you are allowing past treatment/experimental failures to cloud your judgement.

The points you've raised so far have reasonable answers and I've tried to point those out to you. Everything does seem to add up, you are just allowing the lack of reliable reporters (which, sorry it's an internet forum - people aren't reliable reporters) to influence your opinion.

On a side note, it's critical that you understand that the microneedling group had a huge standard deviation, meaning results varied rather dramatically between very strong responses and moderately strong responses. Most users here are recalcitrant to minox meaning that they will fall into the lower range of that standard deviation. That means they might not see the maximal results expressed in the study.

Some people saw a greater increase in hair growth rate and overall hair counts than others in the microneedling group. It's misguided to expect everyone who's doing this trial to have the maximal response. So you'll have to understand that until we reach the three month mark, we really won't know much for sure.

Additionally, two people have actually posted photos over on ***, not one. Both have noted an increase in hair growth rate.

So keep at it and stay as skeptical as you like. Just don't bring a ton of negativity to an otherwise exciting thread. Best of luck to you!

[LevonHelms]

For those of you who are doing this experiment without minox, it will be useless to you. It has already been proven by Dr. Cot that Derma rolling alone will create peach fuzz but that's it, it will not create terminal hair. Just saying this because I know there is a few people out there that are doing this experiment without the minox. Also, yes if you really want to see results, then you will need to do it more aggressively, I have already ordered my 2.5mm roller and it should be here next week. There is some people that say that the 2.5mm actually hurts less than the 1.5mm, I do hope that is true. It might be because when you get a deeper wound, usually your body tries to counteract with natural painkillers produced in your brain. Anyway, good luck to every and remember to be consistent and do it for at least 6 months.

That's a bit of a leap DesperateOne. The study showing only peach fuzz growth is from 1956 not Dr. Cotsarelis, and they were using dermabrasion not needling. Both Follica and the Indian study suggested dermarolling alone may be beneficial to alopecia.

That being said, I'm sure results will be much better with minoxidil thrown in.

As far as needle length everything beyond sticking with the 1.5 in the study is speculation. Yes, squeege says he's seeing great results with a 2.5. prettyfly saw great results with a .5. So who knows? Most people aren't even halfway through the study. Best of luck, keep us updated.

[Stocione]

It's not necessarily a leap given that there are studies that show the more severe the wounding of the epidermis the greater the inflammatory and 'stem cell mode' response of GFs. Going with 2.0mm or above ensures complete disruption of the epidermis, as the needles do not entirely penetrate the scalp at their given depth. Either way though, it's speculation to suggest it will work better, but it is informed speculation!

[LevonHelms]

It's not necessarily a leap given that there are studies that show the more severe the wounding of the epidermis the greater the inflammatory and 'stem cell mode' response of GFs. Going with 2.0mm or above ensures complete disruption of the epidermis, as the needles do not entirely penetrate the scalp at their given depth. Either way though, it's speculation to suggest it will work better, but it is informed speculation!

You have a point. There is the barbecued head guy to think about, lol. What length you using Stoc?