Dermarolling Community Trial

[fred970]

Ever hear the saying "if you keep talking then you'll tell everyone how stupid you really are"?

Thanks for the update fly.

233 pages for this. Just like this other topic where so many people fought endlessly: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...in-alternative

In the end, it's all wind. Nothing. PrettyFly will return to baseline in a year, but he won't come back to tell us he was wrong.

If this worked, we would have countless successful cases. 233 pages in this topic and we have... one. How convincing.

[Hicks]

I understand you want to believe. But it's nothing more than false hope. It's all minoxidil here.

If he didn't use any minoxidil, I would have been impressed. But now how do you know if dermarolling did anything?

My minoxidil results were really similar to his, that's why I think there's nothing to get excited about.

Ever hear the saying "if you keep talking then you'll tell everyone how stupid you really are"?

Thanks for the update fly.

[fred970]

You are the most negative asshole on this forum. A guy shows up to update on one of THE BEST legit results of all time on any forum I've ever seen and you're here to be a dick as usual. What a contribution you are to this forum. This is exactly why no one will find a cure.

I understand you want to believe. But it's nothing more than false hope. It's all minoxidil here.

If he didn't use any minoxidil, I would have been impressed. But now how do you know if dermarolling did anything?

My minoxidil results were really similar to his, that's why I think there's nothing to get excited about.

[youngin]

Well, for my sake and others who are willing to try something different, I hope to be back in a year (again) to prove you wrong - I'm sure you said this last year actually and here I am showing a stronger case!

Ive been on Minox for 2.5 years now with no signs of regression. Yes I have had some plateau's but am currently experiencing another regrowth session and the only addition was I started rolling again after a few months break. This, along with the questions directed at myself, is my reasoning for posting in this thread again.

If you don't want to try the technique, that's your decision but let other members come to their own conclusions. This is my case and I have put it on the forum for the benefit of the community in the hopes that others can experience the success I've had.

Fly Out.

I appreciate you reporting in. Your case has inspired hope for me.

[youngin]

I have used minoxidil and I went from what he had to a more than decent head of hair too.

So I think I have some experience about this. These are rare stellar minoxidil results but they do happen.

Don't get your hopes up. PrettyFly will return to baseline in a year or so.

As if dermarolling would work on only 1 person out of thousands who tried it. Have some common sense here.

You are the most negative asshole on this forum. A guy shows up to update on one of THE BEST legit results of all time on any forum I've ever seen and you're here to be a dick as usual. What a contribution you are to this forum. This is exactly why no one will find a cure.

[PrettyFly83]

I have used minoxidil and I went from what he had to a more than decent head of hair too.

So I think I have some experience about this. These are rare stellar minoxidil results but they do happen.

Don't get your hopes up. PrettyFly will return to baseline in a year or so.


As if dermarolling would work on only 1 person out of thousands who tried it. Have some common sense here.

Well, for my sake and others who are willing to try something different, I hope to be back in a year (again) to prove you wrong - I'm sure you said this last year actually and here I am showing a stronger case!

Ive been on Minox for 2.5 years now with no signs of regression. Yes I have had some plateau's but am currently experiencing another regrowth session and the only addition was I started rolling again after a few months break. This, along with the questions directed at myself, is my reasoning for posting in this thread again.

If you don't want to try the technique, that's your decision but let other members come to their own conclusions. This is my case and I have put it on the forum for the benefit of the community in the hopes that others can experience the success I've had.

Fly Out.

[fred970]

No one asked for your opinion Fred. If we have questions on hair transplants we'll ask you. Then and only then will your opinion matter.

I have used minoxidil and I went from what he had to a more than decent head of hair too.

So I think I have some experience about this. These are rare stellar minoxidil results but they do happen.

Don't get your hopes up. PrettyFly will return to baseline in a year or so.

As if dermarolling would work on only 1 person out of thousands who tried it. Have some common sense here.

[Vic]

That's great news PrettyFly. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions.

[Vic]

No one asked for your opinion Fred. If we have questions on hair transplants we'll ask you. Then and only then will your opinion matter.

[fred970]

Excellent minoxidil results and you just let your hair grow. Nothing unusual here. Dermarolling doesn't work. Period.

[warner8]

hi prettyfly, did you follow the instructions like the study, using a 1.5 derma roller once a week for 10-15 min till the scalp was slightly red and irritated?

Also, what do you believe caused the regrowth from derma rolling; is it the increase in new blood vessels and growth factors from healing process?

Hi Vic

Yes, they started out super fine and very slowly started increasing in diameter and gaining pigment. You can see in my latest photo's the finer hairs from the first photo grew thicker, they still aren't at 100% terminal thickness yet but they continue to increase month by month. I still shed quite a lot but I think it is these finer hairs shedding, then regrowing a bit stronger, then repeat a few months later.



Pretty much, NW5A too NW2.5V (I'm currently in between NW2 and 3V). I wasn't completely slick but definitely just above my crown and temples. The rest was really fine vellus which never grew more than a cm and was aggressively thinning further.

[PrettyFly83]

Thanks For the reply Prettyfly! Glad to hear the hair is holding strong.

I read you had darker then peach fuzz growth in the beginning, did those hairs cycle into terminal? Or did the terminal hair growth you experience come in terminal from the get go?
Thanks!!

Hi Vic

Yes, they started out super fine and very slowly started increasing in diameter and gaining pigment. You can see in my latest photo's the finer hairs from the first photo grew thicker, they still aren't at 100% terminal thickness yet but they continue to increase month by month. I still shed quite a lot but I think it is these finer hairs shedding, then regrowing a bit stronger, then repeat a few months later.

So you went from a slick NW6 to having hair again? Just with rolling+minox?? Wow.

Pretty much, NW5A too NW2.5V (I'm currently in between NW2 and 3V). I wasn't completely slick but definitely just above my crown and temples. The rest was really fine vellus which never grew more than a cm and was aggressively thinning further.

[barfacan]

So you went from a slick NW6 to having hair again? Just with rolling+minox?? Wow.

[Vic]

Thanks For the reply Prettyfly! Glad to hear the hair is holding strong.

I read you had darker then peach fuzz growth in the beginning, did those hairs cycle into terminal? Or did the terminal hair growth you experience come in terminal from the get go?
Thanks!!

[PrettyFly83]

2.5 year update

Hi prettyfly. I was wondering if the growth you experienced was maintained after stopping(if you ever stopped) and if you experienced more growth? I'm almost at 4 months and have had some promising results. 2 months in, my hair got darker, now at 4 months in I'm seeing darker then peach fuzz hairs growing so low on my forehead, I had to look at old pictures just to see if I ever had a hairline that low.

I've read thru many of your posts but you seem to have stopped posting. Hope you grew it all back and lived happily ever after!! Lol. I'd just like to know if you experienced darker then peach fuzz hairs growing in the beginning which eventually turned terminal? Or Did the hair you grew back come in terminal from the get go?

Did those dots you thought were hairs just resting grow? I have a TON of those too.

Hi Vic

Hair still holding steady but I noticed a plateau in regrowth earlier in year. Took a break from rolling for a few months and restarted end of July to try kickstart another regrowth. Ive definitely maintained and am confident I am seeing some slow regrowth again.

I have zoomed and centered the pictures on my worst area's. Pictures were the closest I could find in terms of angles and lighting so dates are not exactly 2.5years, more like 2 years but its been 2.5 since I started rolling. These areas were pretty much slick bald when I started.

You can see date stamps at the top of images.



Routine still mostly same as original study:

• 1.5mm Roller
• Weekly rolling, sometime less
• 5-10min, couple spots of blood but nothing crazy
• Minox every day including rolling days (Ive always done this)
• Supplements daily: MSM 1000 mg, Vit C 1000mg, Zinc 15mg
• Keto Shampoo 1-2 x weekly

I posted a detailed summary last year:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/13420-Dermarolling-Community-Trial?p=174515&highlight=#post174515

For those who are new here is the original study and follow up study's that started the whole thing:

A randomized evaluator blinded study of effect of microneedling in androgenetic alopecia: A pilot study:

http://www.ijtrichology.com/article.asp?issn=0974-7753;year=2013;volume=5;issue=1;spage=6;epage=11;aulast=Dhurat

Response to microneedling treatment in men with androgenetic alopecia who failed to respond to conventional therapy:

http://www.e-ijd.org/article.asp?issn=0019-5154;year=2015;volume=60;issue=3;spage=260;epage=263;aulast=Dhurat