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  • UK_
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 2691

    It doesnt matter either way if you ask me, it's a con-game, you can work all you like the average person will be shovelled shit about becoming substantially wealthy if they "work hard" only to see the value of their labours plummet over a 30 year period due to increasing taxes and inflation which eats 10% of the value of their savings each year, so technicially you get poorer and end up working more and more and more until you're old and classed as a useless eater.

    You can circumvent all of this however by joining in on the madness and involving yourself with some of the most corrupt bastards on the face of this earth. I've also never understood where all the money goes, for the past 20 years we've been paying astronomical amounts of tax, which apparently goes toward paying for public services, however within the space of 3 years after recession (36 ****ing months) EVERY GOVERNMENT ON EARTH turns around collectively and states "we've run out of money, and we need to implement austerity" - there's just something not right about that.

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    • UK_
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 2691

      The best scam has to be "climate change".

      I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.

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      • moore
        Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 95

        Knowledge

        @Desmond84, that professor made a point. But apart from the suffering, baldness is about knowledge.

        It is true that we get old, and age has an impact on physical appearance.
        But that is something that we should (and we would of course) accept if we were just animals.

        Baldness is only a phenotype that was selected a lot of years ago when getting older was a sign of evolution fitness. AFAIK some species of monkey get bald as well and this is still seen as a sign of maturity from prospective partners.

        This does not mean homo sapiens should accept it without any question.
        There should be no dogma in science.

        Besides, I think the professor was superficial in stating "you lose all your hair", since that does not appear to be true. Some hair get miniaturized, other hair remain intact even when you are 100 years old, some hair even switch from vellus to terminal while you are balding (ear hair, hair on shoulders, etc).

        So understanding these processes should be the key not only to manipulate our follicles and have them in the way we like them to be, but also to reach a physical appearance that we feel as representing our being alive.
        We are not just animals. We should be free to decide whether to have hair, where to have it, etc.

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        • VictimOfDHT
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 747

          Originally posted by UK_
          The best scam has to be "climate change".

          I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI
          Well UK, this has nothing to do with hair loss but I'm glad there's at least one other person on the planet who shares my view on the climate change SCAM That's what I've been saying. They keep telling us the climate is "changing"... blah blah blah...No kidding! The climate HAS BEEN CHANGING since this planet came into existence. There are deserts where there used to be seas and oceans and the other way around too. The Grand Canyons were once underwater and look at them now. The Arabian desert was once forests and rivers.... But unfortunately, most people are too gullible and are so easily manipulated and brainwashed they just can't use their own brains and common sense to see this simple fact (that the climate and the world itself have always been changing). Are we polluting the planet? Yes. Is there global warming? NO. A few years ago snow fell in the UAE for the first time ever! The Central Valley in California had deep freeze for about 2 weeks in the early 90's! It was like a record for that area to have such extremely cold temps. What those scammers (scientists) say about it? Well, listen to this, they said just because it's called global WARMING that doesn't necessarily mean temps are only going to be going up!! How funny and stupid that is !! So, to those scammers the word "warming" can also mean the opposite -temps will dip! Seriously ? How can they say such bull shit with a straight face ?

          Indeed, this is one of the BIGGEST scams ever and the whole thing is just a way for a few people to make a nice living out of selling this scam. Ask Al Gore (who likes to preach about "global warming" travelling in his private commercial jet !!!!).
          Anyway, like they say, repeat a lie a 100 times and it will become a fact....and most people will believe it.

          Oh yeah, to the guy who asked whether he should hold off on the HT, NO. Just go ahead and get it done. You're fooling yourself and only wasting precious time if you believe there's going to be a cure or a good treatment any time soon. Just go and get it done, NOW. It's been said a million times but I'll say it again, we've been hearing about a "cure" coming in the near future for the past 20 years or so....Chances are we're going to be saying this 20 years from now.

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          • sausage
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1063

            Originally posted by hellouser
            Thats not the point. Its unacceptable that in 2013 this is the best option we've got. THATS the problem.

            Where is the push for innovation? A cure? A proper treatment? One time procedure to halt further loss? A regular top up like with Histogen to keep hair growing?

            Even if fin works.. it doesnt reverse shit for nearly all men. Thats not a solution to most men, and as pointed out, for higher norwoods its crap.

            I'm demanding something better, Propecia shouldnt even be in the discussion in 2013.

            God DAMN IT we've failed as a hair loss community!!!!
            Well I did say I agreed with that point about it being pretty crap that we don't have a cure yet.......I am not sure 'unacceptable' is the right word but when you hear about some of the amazing things being done in relation to biological science, you do wonder how things like blindness might actually be cured before baldness, seeing as curing blindness seems incredible, to me it seems like a much more difficult thing to do when compared to making hair grow or at least remain on the head. Also, recently it was announced a cure for dementia will be found soon.

            I don't know what is going on in the world of hair science so I can't really comment on whether or not scientists, doctors, pharmacists are doing enough to help cure baldness. I would have thought there are many many people out there putting their time and effort into finding a cure as it will make them filthy rich if they do. But it also costs a lot of money to do the research in the first place.

            A lot of things today are being cured by cells........isn't that is what is being talked about today in relation to baldness........

            Can't we just inject some cells into the head that form follicles and tadah.....hair grows.

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            • walrus
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 298

              Originally posted by UK_
              The best scam has to be "climate change".

              I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.
              Off topic: but if you think that large scale, global, climate change is relatable to day - to - day weather variation that you witness within your own limited lifespan - you misunderstand the theory.

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              • UK_
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 2691

                ^^^^Oh you can bet your ass it's a theory and nothing more. Lol thank you for agreeing with me.

                Have a nice day.

                And even if somehow you did harbour every drop of scientific wisdom known to man about how the climate works, you probably wouldnt even come close to understanding a percentile of how the earths climate really works. You're just human, having access to google scholar and first world education doesnt make you God.

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                • walrus
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 298

                  Originally posted by UK_
                  ^^^^Oh you can bet your ass it's a theory and nothing more. Lol thank you for agreeing with me.

                  Have a nice day.

                  And even if somehow you did harbour every drop of scientific wisdom known to man about how the climate works, you probably wouldnt even come close to understanding a percentile of how the earths climate really works. You're just human, having access to google scholar and first world education doesnt make you God.
                  Just a theory like gravity and evolution, right?

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                  • UK_
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 2691

                    Originally posted by walrus
                    Just a theory like gravity and evolution, right?
                    Yes, along with Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism... Santa Claus & the tooth fairy

                    The difference is the degree of probability in something being correct vs something being incorrect, climate change is common sense, in the 80's there were reports of 'global cooling', the past 3 winters in Britain have been the longest in the past 30 years, last year winter stretched from mid-September to early March.

                    I can't see any 'climate change' or global warming, also, there were foundations back in the 60's that stated they would invent a 'common threat' to unite the people of earth (nation states), they actually stated that issues surrounding the environment and climate would "fit the bill".

                    You're being conned.

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                    • Pentarou
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 482

                      ^ now that's anti-intellectualism.

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                      • Pentarou
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 482

                        Originally posted by Desmond84
                        I think we should all be advocates for change BOTH in the hair loss industry and in the academic arena!
                        100% agreement.

                        Des, I know what you mean about the frustration of hearing your professor say that baldness is inevitable and unfightable - that's unfortunately just the social norm of 'acceptance', in other words, defeatism. And it's not even based completely in reality, as people who have successfully used the Big 3 and/or Dut can verify, AGA hair loss is certainly treatable, if only to some degree. It wasn't always treatable of course, just as diabetes or asthma or cancer weren't treatable 200 years ago, but advances in medical treatments happened. Maybe AGA won't be cured in our lifetimes, but there's certainly the chance of new treatments making this disease far more fightable, and thus our lives far more tolerable and enjoyable.

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                        • greatjob!
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 909

                          Originally posted by UK_
                          The best scam has to be "climate change".

                          I dont know about you, but the climate has always been changing, it was raining and windy yesterday, it's sunny and mild today. I dont believe it, I never will, it's all garbage and bullshit.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI
                          You obviously have not a clue in hell about the difference between climate and weather. Ignorance like yours is the reason the energy industry has been able to create false doubt on climate science.

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                          • TheSwingingGate
                            Member
                            • May 2013
                            • 85

                            I would like to add, as someone who has returned to the academic world, it can be a bubble. Des, your professor might not think MPB is a big deal - but sometimes profs live in a "la-la" land anyway!

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                            • Thinning87
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 839

                              Originally posted by greatjob!
                              You obviously have not a clue in hell about the difference between climate and weather. Ignorance like yours is the reason the energy industry has been able to create false doubt on climate science.
                              I agree - let's stick to the original topic, shall we?

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                              • hiilikeyourbeard
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2013
                                • 138

                                Originally posted by Thinning87
                                I agree - let's stick to the original topic, shall we?
                                better commercial treatment, maybe 5 years

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