So how close are we to a new 'cure'

[J_B_Davis]

Because a superior alternative would then exist? Why should people meddle with a pill that has unknown long term side effects on your liver and short to permanent effects on your dick?

Its been 20 years since propecia was put on the market. Are you that complacent to think its perfectly fine that this SHIT is still sold without a superior alternative? You've got a very 'canadian' way of thinking... passive aggressive.. 'meh, what are you gonna do'.

That kind of lazy attitude will NEVER bring you a cure.

I don't quite get your logic or your Canadian reference, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Every other month there is some crazy new thread started and the "debate" begins. The militant attitude that some guys have on this forum is nutty.

What's wrong with focusing on reality and working with what we have today? Either come to terms with it like JJJrS, waste your life debating over Gho, Nigam and all the rest of the overhyped "cures", or treat your hair loss with the real options we have today. That's it! Ranting about things will not get you any closer to happiness and your time is just ticking away.

[bibz]

2018-2020 its not so far, especially for all young guyz with nw 1-2, in 2020, i will have 28 so thats cool, and i will try everything to keep my hair until 2020 to enjoy my life as better as i can

[J_B_Davis]

2018-2020 its not so far, especially for all young guyz with nw 1-2, in 2020, i will have 28 so thats cool, and i will try everything to keep my hair until 2020 to enjoy my life as better as i can

That's a great attitude! Stay positive.

[hellouser]

I don't quite get your logic or your Canadian reference, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Every other month there is some crazy new thread started and the "debate" begins. The militant attitude that some guys have on this forum is nutty.

What's wrong with focusing on reality and working with what we have today? Either come to terms with it like JJJrS, waste your life debating over Gho, Nigam and all the rest of the overhyped "cures", or treat your hair loss with the real options we have today. That's it! Ranting about things will not get you any closer to happiness and your time is just ticking away.

I'm not betting on Nigam or Gho, in fact I have doubts about BOTH and the prices Gho is charging is a slap to the face of anyone suffering from AGA. Theyre not solutions, only supplements to a shitty bandaid thats known as propecia. I'm demanding a proper treatment right NOW. Not 10 years from now. And I'm sure as hell not going to be satisfied with propecia, that fvcking devils pill, still being on the market. It should have run its course a LONG time ago and we're supposed to still accept it?

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

[DesperateOne]

I'm not betting on Nigam or Gho, in fact I have doubts about BOTH and the prices Gho is charging is a slap to the face of anyone suffering from AGA. Theyre not solutions, only supplements to a shitty bandaid thats known as propecia. I'm demanding a proper treatment right NOW. Not 10 years from now. And I'm sure as hell not going to be satisfied with propecia, that fvcking devils pill, still being on the market. It should have run its course a LONG time ago and we're supposed to still accept it?

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

By saying something like that about propecia, it shows how stupid your thought process is. Propecia has changed lives and like any other drug there is side effects, some really bad but only to few people. You're on your way in becoming the next Joe from Staten Island, and because you have that sort of mentality... Sooner or later you will lose it all and have nothing to show for it. You don't have much time, I suggest you reflect.

[hellouser]

By saying something like that about propecia, it shows how stupid your thought process is. Propecia has changed lives and like any other drug there is side effects, some really bad but only to few people. You're on your way in becoming the next Joe from Staten Island, and because you have that sort of mentality... Sooner or later you will lose it all and have nothing to show for it. You don't have much time, I suggest you reflect.

More complacency.

The passiveness from so many of you is shameful. Makes me wonder why you'd even bother to come onto the forums if you've already got your miracle 'cure' from Propecia. If its good enough, live your life.

We're here in the cutting edge forum to find alternatives. If you want to brag about a 20 year old drug that isnt a cure, I suggest you do it elsewhere.

[sausage]

There is practically a cure for NW3's and above.........if you are willing to take it......it all comes back to.......

Propecia, so many leading people in this industry use it and strongly believe it works..........so it must work...........save your NW3 and then get a transplant.

Done!....you are cured my friends.


For those of us that are much further along than NW3......we're screwed.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

or try some of the experimental topical aa's (ru, cb...etc)

[hellouser]

There is practically a cure for NW3's and above.........if you are willing to take it......it all comes back to.......

Propecia, so many leading people in this industry use it and strongly believe it works..........so it must work...........save your NW3 and then get a transplant.

Done!....you are cured my friends.


For those of us that are much further along than NW3......we're screwed.

Yeah, so how is Propecia supposed to be a wonder pill? Youre better off taking avodart (dutasteride) as it raises testosterone which can lead to a greater sex drive, unlike Fin.

How the fvck can anyone be satisfied with propecia still being the best solution in 2013?? That is mind boggling.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

Is dut really better for sex drive?

[sausage]

Yeah, so how is Propecia supposed to be a wonder pill? Youre better off taking avodart (dutasteride) as it raises testosterone which can lead to a greater sex drive, unlike Fin.

How the fvck can anyone be satisfied with propecia still being the best solution in 2013?? That is mind boggling.

I am not a promoter or passionate Propecia maniac......

I am simply saying it must have worked for some people as leading people in the industry use it and have apparently has success with it.

I am sure the people like Spex, Spencer Kobren, Dr Raghu Reddy and Jotronic (I assume they all take it, don't count that as fact) are all happy with it, seeing as far as I am aware they have all kept a lot of their hair.

Yeah it's not what we want as a 'cure' but if it works for you and your willing to do it, it is an option.

For me personally it didn't work. Weirdly a surgeon I spoke to the other day was amazed that it didn't work for me, which confused me.......I am pretty sure it doesn't claim 100% success rates........as far as I know it's more like 80% of men notice some sort of positive result from it.

[hellouser]

I am not a promoter or passionate Propecia maniac......

I am simply saying it must have worked for some people as leading people in the industry use it and have apparently has success with it.

I am sure the people like Spex, Spencer Kobren, Dr Raghu Reddy and Jotronic (I assume they all take it, don't count that as fact) are all happy with it, seeing as far as I am aware they have all kept a lot of their hair.

Yeah it's not what we want as a 'cure' but if it works for you and your willing to do it, it is an option.

For me personally it didn't work. Weirdly a surgeon I spoke to the other day was amazed that it didn't work for me, which confused me.......I am pretty sure it doesn't claim 100% success rates........as far as I know it's more like 80% of men notice some sort of positive result from it.

Thats not the point. Its unacceptable that in 2013 this is the best option we've got. THATS the problem.

Where is the push for innovation? A cure? A proper treatment? One time procedure to halt further loss? A regular top up like with Histogen to keep hair growing?

Even if fin works.. it doesnt reverse shit for nearly all men. Thats not a solution to most men, and as pointed out, for higher norwoods its crap.

I'm demanding something better, Propecia shouldnt even be in the discussion in 2013.

God DAMN IT we've failed as a hair loss community!!!!

[Desmond84]

I was at a lecture today and our professor of Microbiology was talking about the circle of life and it really grabbed my attention. He said:

"Life's one big circle. You're born bald and wrinkly, then you have hair and then you lose all your hair and become wrinkly again! It's just a fact of life and we must accept it"

I don't know, as much as it's definitely true, I still want to fight for my odds as small as they seem to be!

He's a NW7 btw in his mid 60's. I was really intrigued by the fact that a man of his status with all his academic achievements and great depth of knowledge still has a soft spot for baldness to the point that he used baldness as his example to summarise our lives.

On another note, I was blown away that our professors in Biology see baldness as a natural course of events our body undertakes with no real need for intervention! I think we are starting to find the real reason why it is now 20 years since another product for baldness has been approved! (i.e. post-fin)

I think we should all be advocates for change BOTH in the hair loss industry and in the academic arena! We need to discuss the emotional toll baldness brings about followed by the social stigmas that are attached to it. Baldness is not merely a cosmetic issue but also a real cause of psycho-social burden that can have a huge impact on the decisions we make in life (particularly those in the younger age group)

We need NEW generation of biologists who are not afraid to intervene in the Biological clock...acceptance is a fancy word for "stalement", "failure", "giving-up"! And to be honest guys, no one else will do it as fast and wholeheartedly as those that are suffering themselves...

Regardless of what you studied, being Medicine, Biology, Regenerative Medicine, Business, Commerce, advertising, you all can play a role in bringing about change! Some more than others but together we will be unbeatable...

I'm tired of waiting and I'm sure most of you guys are as well...so let's brainstorm a plan of attack! Let's work this out!

[UK_]

Why do some people not go bald then? Why do some people go bald at birth but are NW2 until 70's.

It's ridiculous, I'm actually someone who refuses to accept big pharma conspiracy but there must be something going on here seriously, 2013 and no better treatments than 25 years ago?!?!?! Are you shitting me?!?!?!

I remember how they used to say "in the future" people will work a lot less and live leisurely lives as technology takes care of our workloads - what a complete con that was, if you're not idiotic enough to cherry-pick aspects of your environment that have become a little easier over the years (talking to your wife while driving a car) then it's clear people are working longer, harder and later on in their lives, they're finding it more difficult to get jobs, to get housing and to even afford the costs of having children.

Big pharma is nothing but one big scam, just look at the field of psychology, it's similar to a global pyramid scheme based upon psuedo-science and garbage like the DSM, the hair loss game is likely no different, you could tell years ago Washenik had no faith in "Ji Gami" they just kept the scam going a little longer and didnt even have the balls to make an open public announcement when they closed. "Making waves in Hawaii" <<rolf yeah right, more like a sunken ship.

[Desmond84]

Why do some people not go bald then? Why do some people go bald at birth but are NW2 until 70's.

It's ridiculous, I'm actually someone who refuses to accept big pharma conspiracy but there must be something going on here seriously, 2013 and no better treatments than 25 years ago?!?!?! Are you shitting me?!?!?!

I remember how they used to say "in the future" people will work a lot less and live leisurely lives as technology takes care of our workloads - what a complete con that was, if you're not idiotic enough to cherry-pick aspects of your environment that have become a little easier over the years (talking to your wife while driving a car) then it's clear people are working longer, harder and later on in their lives, they're finding it more difficult to get jobs, to get housing and to even afford the costs of having children.

+1 UK

Physical work may have become a thing of the past BUT the amount of time and energy spent into our works has definitely increased! Those in retail work much later hours than 50 years ago, those in high profile jobs or real estate need to always have their phone next to them regardless of whether they're working or not...and NOT to mention the pressure those in the health industry are under! Doctors, nurses, surgeons and pharmacists have all been dealt a blow with the increased demand from them for a much lower income!

Then again we are the 99% right! 1% of us are loving life regardless of hair or not!!!

Future is what we make of it...let's change things NOW...our brothers who started going through this mess 12 years ago had so much hope pinned on Hair multiplication...reading their posts from 2002-2006 breaks your heart! I personally don't wanna be the next generation of baldness sufferer that ppl will look back on with a sense of pity for being too wishful!

We need to demand more from our academics and social media or nothing will change!