Good News -- I just called Aderans Research Institute in Atlanta

[Pentarou]

Hey guys I'm not sure if this has been asked and answered before but since Aderans has done phase 1 and 2, couldn't they release this product in Asia right away?

IIRC it's a myth that Asian countries don't need a phase 3, I think the truth is that they require a shorter phase 3 than required by the FDA, but don't quote me on that.

[hellouser]

IIRC it's a myth that Asian countries don't need a phase 3, I think the truth is that they require a shorter phase 3 than required by the FDA, but don't quote me on that.

AFAIK its not a myth as Replicel is targeting a 2015 release after Phase II and Histogen is targeting a 2015-16 release after Phase IIb, both in Asia.

However, Aderans being released was going through FDA approvals and not the approvals of any asian health ministries. Only way that Aderans Phase II could be approved in an asian country was if that countries health ministry recognized FDA trials and approvals without any hoops to jump through.

[k3nk3n]

AFAIK its not a myth as Replicel is targeting a 2015 release after Phase II and Histogen is targeting a 2015-16 release after Phase IIb, both in Asia.

However, Aderans being released was going through FDA approvals and not the approvals of any asian health ministries. Only way that Aderans Phase II could be approved in an asian country was if that countries health ministry recognized FDA trials and approvals without any hoops to jump through.

But i guess if Aderans could release the ARI in Asia, they would have done it already.

[hellouser]

But i guess if Aderans could release the ARI in Asia, they would have done it already.

No, they basically JUST finished Phase II. There were never any plans for them to release in Asia in 2014 (those were their initial plans on a release date, and that was for USA).

[hellouser]

It needs to be said though, that if Aderan's didn't see this coming given their abysmal turnaround time, they failed miserably at having a backup plan for funding from another entity.

As an investor, waiting 10+ years with another clinical trial remaining and the most costly would piss me off. But if that meant at the expense of wigs and surgical procedures which their stem cell treatment could provide, hell no would those businessmen assholes ever allow that. They don't give a shit about balding men, they have ZERO empathy for anyone, they care about one thing only; DOLLARS.

[Kiwi]

The crushing this is, that unlike RU 58841, which also had the plug pulled before it went to phase 3/was released, we can't exactly get some labs to rustle up some Ji Gami on the grey market.

LOL...

Actually that's exactly why I think they failed. Perhaps it actuàlly costs them too much to make it. It didn't turn out to be consumable...

[UK_]

I dont understand why another company doesnt just buy them out and continue on to phase III?

If they're getting results surely this is a company that will sell.

[garethbale]

I dont understand why another company doesnt just buy them out and continue on to phase III?

If they're getting results surely this is a company that will sell.

That's what I thought, but Aderans are idiots so I wouldn't be surprised if they just did nothing

[hellouser]

That's what I thought, but Aderans are idiots so I wouldn't be surprised if they just did nothing

Their own success depends on an investor, I'm sure they're scrambling right now.

[KO1]

Hmmm....on this note, keep in mind that Cosmo's Methylene Blue product is garnering interest from big pharma and seems to be their primary "star" drug. (But I could be wrong).

If Big Pharma buys Cosmo with view to getting access to the MB product, given they've shown no interest in MPB, it wouldn't surprise me if they killed CB in the pipeline.


God, I'm such an asshole.

[Pentarou]

Hmmm....on this note, keep in mind that Cosmo's Methylene Blue product is garnering interest from big pharma and seems to be their primary "star" drug. (But I could be wrong).

If Big Pharma buys Cosmo with view to getting access to the MB product, given they've shown no interest in MPB, it wouldn't surprise me if they killed CB in the pipeline.


God, I'm such an asshole.

Being honest about what could happen to derail/bury a viable treatment before it 'makes it' doesn't make you or anyone an asshole. I wish more people here took on board that we're guaranteed that none of these treatments will ever be released. Unfortunately.

[FearTheLoss]

Being honest about what could happen to derail/bury a viable treatment before it 'makes it' doesn't make you or anyone an asshole. I wish more people here took on board that we're guaranteed that none of these treatments will ever be released. Unfortunately.

then what are you doing here? just being a troll? if you know none of these products are ever going to be released then why don't you get off here and get on with your life instead of sitting on here trying to make everyone feel sad and pathetic like you?

[garethbale]

Being honest about what could happen to derail/bury a viable treatment before it 'makes it' doesn't make you or anyone an asshole. I wish more people here took on board that we're guaranteed that none of these treatments will ever be released. Unfortunately.

Guaranteed how exactly?

[UK_]

That's what I thought, but Aderans are idiots so I wouldn't be surprised if they just did nothing

Or... maybe he was *facepalm* not telling the complete story when he said "we're having good results".

Man this is really ****ed up, Shiesedo just invested a massive amount into Replicel, I dont see why the same cant happen with Aderans??? They're even closer to market than Replicel!

It just looks like no progress has been made and we're back to 2007.

[UK_]

I will be immensely surprised if a company doesnt buy out Aderans.

I mean if Shisedo can spend millions on Replicel and they have only just finished Phase I, then I'm sure a company will be willing to buy Aderans who is heading into Phase III with two successful trials backing them and a working protocol.

Why on earth does MILLIONS get spend on worthless make-up products for women and when the cure for baldness is in question nobody seems to give a ****.