Histogen's FINAL Phase I/IIa Results (2013)

[Pentarou]

Hi again.

I used to post quite a bit on these forums about a year ago but have been lurking a bit again recently and trying out different programs. I was on the Vitc TRX2 buzz for a while. I continued to lose ground but it did slow things down. I dumped that and went to RU as I wanted something more effective.

I have now been on RU for about 6-8months and my opinion on that is it doesn't work either. It slows things down and gives you hair a bit more bounce but nothing else. I have lost much crown and temple hair on RU. I don't suffer any sides with it but its not going to maintain what I have, instead it will make my march into baldness much slower.

I used to be right up to date on all the latest news regarding future treatments as you do when your in a big shedding period and stressing about MPB. I have been catching up the past few days.

Am I right in saying Histogen is dead? 100% dead? This was the future treatment I think the majority of people held out hope for and now its in the shitcan? I can't say I'm surprised.

I refuse to take fin and might consider minox but I have come to the conclusion that if you want you hairline back that a hair transplant is the only solution that works. Its not a super dense hairline but its better then what fin or minox can do for you, even those products don't get your temple hair back.

I have been working my butt off and have enough for a 5000 graft FUE with maybe the possibility of another 2000 somewhere down the road. Hopefully I can get a good hairline mid vertex and passable crown from this and not have to worry about hairloss. I am close to pulling the trigger on this.

I guess the point of this rant was to get confirmation of what looks like the bleak outlook for future effective treatments, is there any chance we will see a vendor like Kane sell us a brand or people making thier own version of Histogen after the formula gets leaked?


My other point is to new posters or people who spend a lot of time on here hoping a thread will one day appear out of the blue promoting some miracle product that will give you back you hair, is to say that is highly unlikely.

There is no cure, only ways of slowing it down, after a while even Minox and fin can stop helping you. Sometimes you need to step back and realise all the wishful thinking and thread reading will not help you, its good for support and knowledge but that doesn't equal hair. Sometimes you need to stand back and look at the limited options and make tough decisions. I am at this stage now after years of looking for something that will help. The next major input I will have on here is when I start a thread containing the results of my HT.

Just get on Finasteride. That's it.

[fred970]

What if he doesn't want to because he's afraid of potential sexual side-effects?

[UK_]

Finasteride is a joke, yeah its effective, but who wants to have a numb dick for the rest of their life?

[simba]

RU works, if thats not working for him then his hairloss is really agressive and even Fin might not work.

[MrBlonde]

Just get on Finasteride. That's it.

I've thought long and hard (or soft as the case maybe with fin, ba dum tiss) about it but I'm not comfortable with the very real and serious side affects.

If there was a topical version I would be on board. I have heard DUT is more effective but every day you get a new opinion on some other thread from a guy who may or may not be a total spoofer.

Fin worked for me, Fin made me worse. Fin crippled my libido, Fin gave me no side effects. Fin stopped working after x amount of years so I had to up the dose.

I have been of various forms and read thousands of threads and have seen it all before. I am sure Fin does help you maintain but I ask myself will a HT plus some native hair I can cling onto with fin be worth risking the side effects over a HT without my remaining native hair that doesn't look as dense.

I am at the stage where I have heard enough promises and different stories from stressed out baldies like us, companies and research experts to form my own conclusion.

That conclusion is that baldness is winning, its not even close to being cured and EVERY product out there and I mean all of them, Fin, Minox, Ru etc etc....as it stands they all lose against baldness. They have varying results but you will still lose ground whilst on them. You may even shed and look worse on them, you may look better for a while and then need more after you body adjusts but nothing is beating baldness. Nothing.


I don't mean to drag everyone down. I too was hopeful once plus I'm a naturally optimistic person by nature, believe it or not, but there is time to face harsh facts.

How long have we heard 5 more years? Histogen looks beat and the other big hopes could easily topple. Desmond is right when he says there are exciting advances and research being done but I disagree that a break through from one of them is anywhere close and I mean decades. I work in a research company of a different kind and I can tell you that research projects get started and finished every month. Some last years and churn out very poor results all the time but are marketed as something amazing. Its the way the researc business works. The company doing the research has to market itself and protect itself so even when something is clearly not working they will wrap it up with lots of positive spin. This is a way of protecting itself from bad PR and keeping itself in the market for future research funding and more business and more opportunites to make money and keep itself and its staff in a job. We are seeing this with Histogen moving into other areas of research.

Even HT's can be very risky in terms of results but I have seen results that are superior to anything a product or drug has to offer. I hope I can get lucky with mine.

I think it would be better for everyones mental health to make some peace with themselves and to acknowledge the reality of the situation they are in. People stress about sheds, side effects etc before getting on a treatment. There are users on this forum who have been around for years and still ask for advise. Why? because there is no answer out there and its not coming soon.

A HT, a hair piece or getting on Fin, Minox, RU or CB are your best options. None of them will get your hair to look like it was before baldness kicked in. Some may cause very damaging side effects. RU slowed down my hairloss but I have gaps in my hairline and crown that were not there before I started on RU.

That is the reality and when you sit back and look at it, well its plainly a bucket of shit.

[hellouser]

^So what do you propose as a solution to the state of hair loss solutions?

[Pentarou]

I've thought long and hard (or soft as the case maybe with fin, ba dum tiss) about it but I'm not comfortable with the very real and serious side affects.

Then you are believing nonsense on the Internet propagated by hysterical panic-mongers.

Besides, all medication have a risk of side effects, that's part of the deal with modern medicine.

See the post by LMS: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15360

[hellouser]

Then you are believing nonsense on the Internet propagated by hysterical panic-mongers.

Besides, all medication have a risk of side effects, that's part of the deal with modern medicine.

The side effects ARE real though, his concerns are legit.

[MrBlonde]

^So what do you propose as a solution to the state of hair loss solutions?

This is a ridiculous question. Not only did I not state I had a solution but any guy at a keyboard who would attempt to say this should be laughed at for a long time.

In fact I clearly stated my conclusion is that there is no solution and its all about facing up to the harsh reality that MPB has not been beaten and doesn't look like it will be anytime soon.

How you missed this point when I made it as clear as day is beyond me. If this sounds harsh, sorry but your question was very poor and made no sense.

[hellouser]

This is a ridiculous question. Not only did I not state I had a solution but any guy at a keyboard who would attempt to say this should be laughed at for a long time.

In fact I clearly stated my conclusion is that there is no solution and its all about facing up to the harsh reality that MPB has not been beaten and doesn't look like it will be anytime soon.

How you missed this point when I made it as clear as day is beyond me. If this sounds harsh, sorry but your question was very poor and made no sense.

So, you have no proposal and essentially we should just accept our imminent baldness, correct?

[StayThick]

Guys, isn't Desmond taking a small amount of Fin? Does anyone know what his dosage is and when he takes it.

Never thought I'd say this...::gasp:: but I'm contemplating taking Fin again, albeit a very, very small dose to help save my drastically thinning hair. God has pushed me to the limit and with modern medicine it's the only thing I got outside of a HT. Problem is, I can't hide from work and getting that done and not being obvious would be impossible. So HT right now is out of the question because I rather just thin then be pointed at and laughed at in my workplace and industry where looks are key.

I also started dating a beautiful woman, I mean 10 and she has made a comment on my hair being thin but says she doesn't care. Those are the ones you keep fellas'. She's a dime and I do not have great hair, it's thin, and disgusting when wet, yet this girl is all about me.

I just want one last shot at maintaining or seeing improvement. So scared to jump on that poison, but I'm left with zero options. Zero.

[MrBlonde]

So, you have no proposal and essentially we should just accept our imminent baldness, correct?

Did you actually not read my posts or are you just angered by what I am saying to the point of getting petty with me? I have fought before but I outlined some harsh realities.

Research companies who spend millions have no answers, how the hell could I or anyone here have? There is a list of products that will slow down your loss and they come with shitty side effects. Should we just accept our imminent baldness you ask of me? No actually YES actually no. It doesn't matter what you accept or do or which product you try because baldness will march on regardless of whether we like it or not because there is nothing out there to stop it.

My resignation to have a HT comes with its own caveats and I will not get me the head of hair I once had or desire but something I will have to accept and manage.

Thats is the overall reality of our situation imo.

Fight all you want. I hope it works for you. I'd give every guy on here a full head of hair if I could but thats not how the real world works. If something golden comes out I'd be the first to buy it. In reality what do you have? Nothing golden. Use what you deem fit but at most you will prolong your hairloss with the risks of horrible sides. Thats the reality.

I listed the pro's and con's of treatments. How none of them are golden bullets and how some come with sides. My point that none of them are good is valid. You yourself state what a shitty selection of options we have for hairloss. You have already accepted the situation I put forward.

You have started a couple of real popular threads on here which were well documented and show cased your results. We all thank you for it. You get asked for lots of advise and people look to you for answers, that is the nature of these forums when people are in a desperate situation.

I'd never tell anyone that it isn't worth fighting or giving up hope and I got on RU because of this place and your thread to a lesser extent and RU has not been satisfactory enough for me. Its not been enough for you either.

For all your/our fighting hairloss, all your/our documentation and experiments you are still here and considering a HT. Why? because your still not happy with hairloss and nothing is available for hairloss that is good enough.

This forum is good for support and news and if ever the cure comes it will be posted here first and the community is great but all that great talk and support and research doesn't give us all what we want. A cure.

Don't have a go just because I am laying it bare. These are harsh truths but they are truths. Research companies who spend millions have no answers. Histogen may come out with something that will help us keep what we have and may add a tiny bit of density, that is the best we can hope from them. I would not be suprised if they never release anything of worth.

[hellouser]

Did you actually not read my posts or are you just angered by what I am saying to the point of getting petty with me? I have fought before but I outlined some harsh realities.

Research companies who spend millions have no answers, how the hell could I or anyone here have? There is a list of products that will slow down your loss and they come with shitty side effects. Should we just accept our imminent baldness you ask of me? No actually YES actually no. It doesn't matter what you accept or do or which product you try because baldness will march on regardless of whether we like it or not because there is nothing out there to stop it.

My resignation to have a HT comes with its own caveats and I will not get me the head of hair I once had or desire but something I will have to accept and manage.

Thats is the overall reality of our situation imo.

Fight all you want. I hope it works for you. I'd give every guy on here a full head of hair if I could but thats not how the real world works. If something golden comes out I'd be the first to buy it. In reality what do you have? Nothing golden. Use what you deem fit but at most you will prolong your hairloss with the risks of horrible sides. Thats the reality.

I listed the pro's and con's of treatments. How none of them are golden bullets and how some come with sides. My point that none of them are good is valid. You yourself state what a shitty selection of options we have for hairloss. You have already accepted the situation I put forward.

You have started a couple of real popular threads on here which were well documented and show cased your results. We all thank you for it. You get asked for lots of advise and people look to you for answers, that is the nature of these forums when people are in a desperate situation.

I'd never tell anyone that it isn't worth fighting or giving up hope and I got on RU because of this place and your thread to a lesser extent and RU has not been satisfactory enough for me. Its not been enough for you either.

For all your/our fighting hairloss, all your/our documentation and experiments you are still here and considering a HT. Why? because your still not happy with hairloss and nothing is available for hairloss that is good enough.

This forum is good for support and news and if ever the cure comes it will be posted here first and the community is great but all that great talk and support and research doesn't give us all what we want. A cure.

Don't have a go just because I am laying it bare. These are harsh truths but they are truths. Research companies who spend millions have no answers. Histogen may come out with something that will help us keep what we have and may add a tiny bit of density, that is the best we can hope from them. I would not be suprised if they never release anything of worth.

I raised the question because we need a way out without throwing in the towel.

[MrBlonde]

I raised the question because we need a way out without throwing in the towel.

Ok we are on the same page in most respects. A way out? Its a nice idea that one exists or may come to be but as of now there is not and we are here because of that. We would have all stepped through that doorway had there been another option.

I like you have been here for a long time, I may have been here longer and many threads and new news cause quite a stir and hope but none of them have been enough.

We are both still here because our hair is turning to shit. I am not trowing in the towel. I am about to have a HT or plan to if I get the courage up, such is the balls it requires, and a HT is a big step for someone to take. This will hopefully give me something thats passes as hair. It may not look great. I will have to take a year out of having a crappy looking head until it grows in.

I am trying to fight this just like you but in reality we are losing. My HT will be a desperate measure to continue the fight. I wish you nothing but luck in your fight hellouser but I can't lie or sugar coat things to myself anymore. Hope and support are good things but they don't change the reality of our situation. Some guys accept their baldness but we are here becasue it saddens us

Our choices right now and for the foreseeable future are to either

a) go bald and feel like shit
b) accept your faith and shave your head and save money
c) use a product that will slow down but not stop your loss and give you sides
d) have a HT and hope it looks good on you
e) wear a wig

Histogen may bring something that helps us but it will be something to add to point c.

That is the reality of the situation we are in. I'm sorry but I can't see any other way

[hellouser]

Our choices right now and for the foreseeable future are to either

a) go bald and feel like shit
b) accept your faith and shave your head and save money
c) use a product that will slow down but not stop your loss and give you sides
d) have a HT and hope it looks good on you
e) wear a wig

Histogen may bring something that helps us but it will be something to add to point c.

That is the reality of the situation we are in. I'm sorry but I can't see any other way

I agree 100%, but the (potential) difference between me and some is that it makes me psychotically PISSED OFF.

I want Histogen's treatment expedited, enough of this waiting game bullshit.