Histogen's FINAL Phase I/IIa Results (2013)

[yan]

What a deflating, yet true statement. Depressing.

That means a slow death for my hair because I'll never touch FIN again. Sucks to be balding with no hope in sight.

Yes I`m sorry. Without FIN or at least RU to maintain what you have, there wont be any hope... It sucks so hard.

If you lose too much hairs until Replicel / CB whatever comes out, not even HT + Replicel + CB can save you anymore.

Its all about maintaining now. But is it worth taking the risks and live with side effects for years just to maintain in order to benefit from possible future treatments? Hard to say... :/

[StayThick]

Unfortunately Propecia will be our only effective weapon against hairloss for at least another 5 years

What a deflating, yet true statement. Depressing.

That means a slow death for my hair because I'll never touch FIN again. Sucks to be balding with no hope in sight.

[KO1]

I think you guys are reading too much into this one data point. Total hair count is not as important as terminal hair density. These treatments aren't there to create new follicles de novo, but revitalize miniaturized follicles. Furthermore, the trend has not been a clear decline, but has oscillated. At 12 and 24 weeks we see an increase, at 36 we see a decrease, but at 48 we see an increase. It's not a consistent decline at all.

[yan]

Dude why are u so negative, what about Gho and Scarless FUE?

Bcs I dont believe in Gho and scarless fue is useless? It doesnt solve the problem with limited donor?

[yeahyeahyeah]

Unfortunately Propecia will be our only effective weapon against hairloss for at least another 5 years

Wasnt this always the case until histogen comes out?

[clandestine]

Dude why are u so negative, what about Gho and Scarless FUE?

Really? How much will that cost us, then. Only tens of thousands? Lovely.

[stayhopeful]

In next 5 years, my only hope lies in CB to be honest. And if I cant tolerate FIN anymore, I will try RU, bcs there is nothing beside RU and FIN that could save your hair atm.

I only take FIN bcs I hope CB comes out in 4-5 years, if CB fails, my whole plan fails and I will probably shave my head. 4-5 years is the maximum I want to take FIN.

Dude why are u so negative, what about Gho and Scarless FUE?

[yan]

In next 5 years, my only hope lies in CB to be honest. And if I cant tolerate FIN anymore, I will try RU, bcs there is nothing beside RU and FIN that could save your hair atm.

I only take FIN bcs I hope CB comes out in 4-5 years, if CB fails, my whole plan fails and I will probably shave my head. 4-5 years is the maximum I want to take FIN.

[clandestine]

To reiterate, and in case someone missed it;

Desmond mate; Not unwilling. No.

Those unable. There are those of us who have been willing, have taken fin, and have been proven unable. Many of us cannot tolerate finasteride, and other DHT blockers. We're left with few options.

Sorry, but this distinction is terribly important.

[clandestine]

Yeah who *****ing cares. I'm voicing for those who can't take Propecia; we're frustrated.

Everyone is frustrated, but those of us unable to take DHT inhibitors due to sides are entirely frustrated.

[Desmond84]

Unfortunately Propecia will be our only effective weapon against hairloss for at least another 5 years

[yeahyeahyeah]

The problem is, I doubt it will make it to the market if this is "all" it does...Propecia didn't generate near the profit that Merk hoped it would...so I doubt that a company would invest in histogen if it's another version of propecia..

That being said, if HSC could be distributed at a reasonable price, it may be appealing as there isn't the side effect concern and it's injections once a year or so...instead of a pill every day. Also, who knows what this could do if it were combined with fin or RU or another treatment.


I guess only time can tell.

Propecias popularity is declining due to adverse sides. It's the reason why I am not taking it ATM

If I were Merck I would replace it with HSC if they feel threatened by it.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Just look at the chart under 'temporal recession region' in the PDF Desmond posted. You're talking baout 'terminal density'. It seems to me that this means the terminal hairs just got 25% thicker. Which might give a somewhat noticable effect. But only if you have hair on your temples to begin with, since temple hair count only increased with 2% after 24 months, in that same chart.

In other words.
Histogen was never going to grow hair on slick bald scalp. Hence the 'temple hair increased by 2% after 24 months statement'

It is just a better version if minoxidil.

Most likely we will have to use this in conjunction with having a HT (if you haven't lost your temple hair already)

I suspect HSC is going to be cheap if it requires a yearly booster.

It is also side effect free unlike fin. Like fin it will maintain.

Would you rather be slapping minox on your head, taking fin or just going in yearly for a booster ?

I don't know why you all are moaning. Sure the yearly shots are a pain in the ass. But it's as I've described.

[FearTheLoss]

This is where Histogen will play a big part:

You know those vellus hairs that never turn terminal NO MATTER how much Propecia you take! Well, Histogen will most probably turn them terminal and if you continue taking Propecia they will remain terminal!

Histogen will work synergistically with Propecia!

Exactly, or maybe even better.

I was pretty down at first with the results...but they have another phase to improve things and at least it is better than propecia! that is a start for many...because it seems like hardly anyone can actually take propecia

[Desmond84]

This is where Histogen will play a big part:

You know those vellus hairs that never turn terminal NO MATTER how much Propecia you take! Well, Histogen will most probably turn them terminal and if you continue taking Propecia they will remain terminal!

Histogen will work synergistically with Propecia!