Dr Nigam, my own experience

[Arashi]

If you overlay the pre-op with postop, you'll see that we'll miss about half of the donor area as pre-op picture. What if Nigams took high hair count grafts from that 'missing pre-op area' and implanted that into the visible pre-op area ? That way it would look like there's regrowth while he just moved & split grafts.

I can't believe he shaved that huge area after the pre-op picture. Really, I don't see how we can use this case for analysis.

[Arashi]

I'm getting tired of this. Nigams need to get a NW7, give him 15k grafts, nobody will then ever doubt him again. But making huge errors like he did here, messes up just everything.

[gc83uk]

I'm getting tired of this. Nigams need to get a NW7, give him 15k grafts, nobody will then ever doubt him again. But making huge errors like he did here, messes up just everything.

This is exactly why I was getting pissed off at the whole situation a few weeks after Tom's procedure. Plenty of people telling me to calm down until 3 months later etc, but without pre ops pics we don't have a statistical starting point and can't produce results and conclude anything at all.

I knew after a week this case was probably doomed from an analysis point of view.

Hairman2 and Dr Nigam had a discussion at hairsite about 1 month ago. Hairman2 was saying the before and after analysis Dr Nigam had attempted to do (not sure if you've seen it) was incorrect, Dr Nigam admitted he circled the wrong area. And the conversation went dead I think. I need to find those photos!!!

[Arashi]

And man look at this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5vzcjhyvedaye1/before-%26-after-donor-4---tom.jpg

Take a close look at how he numbered those grafts in those 2 circles. Not sure if I should laugh or cry but the numbers are totally wrong !! They don't correlate at all. Look at 21, 23, 27 and 17 for example. Or any circle. What is this, a joke ?

[NewestGuy]

Okay . I have to agree with you, safety nr1.
this includes years of trialing like aderans and replicel do. and supervision. if people want it to happen faster, and cant wait, they can sign up for their trials indeed.

Also this is why I'm already happy with the trials already been preformed with mesechymal cells by certain companies(not just hairloss companies). with non modified culture medium. it at least shows that usual protocols has not killed people thus far.


I recommend mechanical approach for now and fda drugs, although, they also don't come without risck, but we know what to expect, since trials are preformed.

Do you have a good donor left?if so stop waiting

The best.

Boldy, while you were there with Dr. Nigam did you see any evidence of successful hair doubling? Were there any patients you met, or otherwise, that increased your faith in this procedure?

[gc83uk]

And man look at this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5vzcjhyvedaye1/before-%26-after-donor-4---tom.jpg

Take a close look at how he numbered those grafts in those 2 circles. Not sure if I should laugh or cry but the numbers are totally wrong !! They don't correlate at all. Look at 21, 23 and 28 for example. Or any circle. What is this, a joke ?

Yes this is exactly what hairman2 was referring to. We could do with finding the blown up large versions of these two photos. Bit busy atm, but i'll dig them out in about 1 hour unless you can find them at hairsite in the meantime. I've got another email here from Nigam with a bunch of crappy photos, post your email address and i'll forward it to you. You can delete your post/edit post and remove your email again.

[Arashi]

This is exactly why I was getting pissed off at the whole situation a few weeks after Tom's procedure. Plenty of people telling me to calm down until 3 months later etc, but without pre ops pics we don't have a statistical starting point and can't produce results and conclude anything at all.

I knew after a week this case was probably doomed from an analysis point of view.

Hairman2 and Dr Nigam had a discussion at hairsite about 1 month ago. Hairman2 was saying the before and after analysis Dr Nigam had attempted to do (not sure if you've seen it) was incorrect, Dr Nigam admitted he circled the wrong area. And the conversation went dead I think. I need to find those photos!!!

LOL, yeah I think those 2 circles are just totally different area's. This is horrible ... What a joke !!

[Arashi]

Yes this is exactly what hairman2 was referring to. We could do with finding the blown up large versions of these two photos. Bit busy atm, but i'll dig them out in about 1 hour unless you can find them at hairsite in the meantime. I've got another email here from Nigam with a bunch of crappy photos, post your email address and i'll forward it to you. You can delete your post/edit post and remove your email again.

I still have access to your dropbox Gaz.

[Arashi]

This is exactly why I was getting pissed off at the whole situation a few weeks after Tom's procedure. Plenty of people telling me to calm down until 3 months later etc, but without pre ops pics we don't have a statistical starting point and can't produce results and conclude anything at all.

I'm really starting to get pissed again. Not sure how Dr Nigams could mess this all up so big. And then those 2 circles with just random, different pieces of scalp in it !?!? WTF ??? Really ... Does he think we're all idiots ?

I gave this dude the benefit of the doubt for quite a while but man, this is just horrible ... What a joke !

[gc83uk]

I'm really starting to get pissed again. Not sure how Dr Nigams could mess this all up so big. And then those 2 circles with just random, different pieces of scalp in it !?!? WTF ??? Really ... Does he think we're all idiots ?

I gave this dude the benefit of the doubt for quite a while but man, this is just horrible ... What a joke !

urgh I know you do, just rather press FWD on this email :P

[Arashi]

urgh I know you do, just rather press FWD on this email :P

Just made a temp email: checkthisout22345@yopmail.com

[Arashi]

Really, after seeing this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5vzcjhyve...or-4---tom.jpg
it's all over for me. No more faith in Nigams at all, he's never going to change, he'll keep trying to cheat and manipulate as he did in those circles. What a joke. Tom's case is useless, Nigams manipulating again with his research ... This is really embarrassing.

[hellouser]

Why is it so fvcking difficult to isolate a 1cm x 1cm (or inches) area thats close to a birth mark, take whatever number of grafts, do the work, implant them into another area that can be TRACKED and take close up shots of BOTH areas before and after with ample SOFT lighting (no use of flash, just lots of natural light). This way, all you do is count the number of individual hairs BEFORE in the donor area and match them with whatever is there AFTER. The recipient area will obviously be tracked after and whatever number of individual hairs are THERE can easily be counted and compared to the donor hairs.

DONE.

But god DAMN it, why is this still a problem?!? Why is such a simple more complex than trying to get laid by a biblethumper?!

[gc83uk]

Really, after seeing this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5vzcjhyve...or-4---tom.jpg
it's all over for me. No more faith in Nigams at all, he's never going to change, he'll keep trying to cheat and manipulate as he did in those circles. What a joke. Tom's case is useless, Nigams manipulating again with his research ... This is really embarrassing.

OK I've sent about 5 emails there. I've sent them as he sent them to me, it's a bit of a mess in terms of photos are duplicated and unorganised! You might be able to make head from tail of it all. Feel free to upload these into a drop box folder in that shared account, perhaps create a folder called Tom.

[Arashi]

OK I've sent about 5 emails there. I've sent them as he sent them to me, it's a bit of a mess in terms of photos are duplicated and unorganised! You might be able to make head from tail of it all. Feel free to upload these into a drop box folder in that shared account, perhaps create a folder called Tom.

Not sure if that mailbox is slow, but could you maybe send them again to:
drnigams@mailcatch.com