DR NIGAM, re: Tom Vercetti, the French Moderator

[drnigams]

1)MOST OF THEM WILL FIRST REPAIR AND THAN SHED..EXCEPT FEW..

2)THE DONOR CAN HAVE 1/2/3 BISECTED SMALL TINY PARTS,as i inject them with the needle attached to the syringe...not with forcep..i think you have seen the photos of the bisected grafts in the two pics ,i posted.

3)right,unless 1st or 2nd shot of stemcells with dp culture in coming months creates a new follicle..

4)right,but the number may vary, as i inject(not implant) the small part,not in my full control,sometines 1/2/3/4..

5)IF,I IMPLANT ONE LARGER PART OF BISECTED FOLLICLE...ONE FOLLICLE IS VISIBLE..AND IF,I IMPLANT,.. A TWO FOLLICLE GRAFT, TWO FOLLICLES ARE VISIBLE..LATER BOTH WILL SHED..AS IN NORMAL HT..IMPLANTS..AND REGROW AFTER FEW MONTHS..

OK thank you! I have to admit I don't fully understand your in Vitro procedure, hence the following questions.

1)About the donor regeneration, is the smaller bisected part which is implanted in the donor as likely to shed as the larger bisected part is in the recipient in the coming days after the procedure or does the re-implanted smaller bisected part never shed? As Tom I think has already said, some of the hairs have shed.

2) When you re-implant this small bisected part in the donor, this is just 1 hair, right?

Related to question 2)Is the hair shaft visible when you re-implant it in the donor in the same way the recipient is?

Perhaps a photo of the small bisected part and the larger bisected part would be useful here.

3)So of the original 2 hair FU which has been extracted from the donor, if you hadn't of implanted the smaller bisected part back in the donor, then we would have no regrowth at all from this particular 2 hair FU, right?

4)So of the original 2 hair FU, this smaller bisected part that is implanted in the donor produces how many hairs? I'm guessing 2?
And again the larger part also produces 2 hairs right?

5) related to question 2) and 4)..... If there is indeed 1 hair visible when you re-implant in the donor area at the time of implanting, when does this visibly become 2 hairs? Does the original 1 hair shed and 2 new hairs emerge?

Obviously my questions are contradicting each other slightly in their wording, so some clarification would be nice. Thanks

[gc83uk]

1)MOST OF THEM WILL FIRST REPAIR AND THAN SHED..EXCEPT FEW..

2)THE DONOR CAN HAVE 1/2/3 BISECTED SMALL TINY PARTS,as i inject them with the needle attached to the syringe...not with forcep..i think you have seen the photos of the bisected grafts in the two pics ,i posted.

3)right,unless 1st or 2nd shot of stemcells with dp culture in coming months creates a new follicle..

4)right,but the number may vary, as i inject(not implant) the small part,not in my full control,sometines 1/2/3/4..

5)IF,I IMPLANT ONE LARGER PART OF BISECTED FOLLICLE...ONE FOLLICLE IS VISIBLE..AND IF,I IMPLANT,.. A TWO FOLLICLE GRAFT, TWO FOLLICLES ARE VISIBLE..LATER BOTH WILL SHED..AS IN NORMAL HT..IMPLANTS..AND REGROW AFTER FEW MONTHS..

OK thank you for your time. I'm looking forward to seeing the photographs. Have you seen the thread from the French Doctor who is also experimenting with hair doubling? I would encourage you to present your data in the same was as he did, showing a table with the original number of hairs for each FU, with a number for each FU and next to the original value show the new number of hairs per FU.

Very time consuming, but IMO it will be irrefutable if presented in this way.

I would also ask you to show me a close up photo of just 1 small bisected graft vs a large bisected graft. I haven't been able to find a photo showing exactly that.

[drnigams]

Sure,enlarged bisected graft pic on monday..bye.

OK thank you for your time. I'm looking forward to seeing the photographs. Have you seen the thread from the French Doctor who is also experimenting with hair doubling? I would encourage you to present your data in the same was as he did, showing a table with the original number of hairs for each FU, with a number for each FU and next to the original value show the new number of hairs per FU.

Very time consuming, but IMO it will be irrefutable if presented in this way.

I would also ask you to show me a close up photo of just 1 small bisected graft vs a large bisected graft. I haven't been able to find a photo showing exactly that.

[didi]

Dr Nigams

What happens when you implant smaller part of bisected graft(part you currently put in donor) into recipient?

You are performing invitro so it gives you options to inject any part of graft wherever you want(either recipient or donor).

also, can you post some high quality photos of graft bisection process, we all all know how grafts are taken out(same as normal fue)
Once they are out you cut them in 2 parts, implanting one part in recip and other part in donor-AS PER PICTURE

[534623]

You've got it, Spanish Dud!
It seems your low IQ has improved greatly during the past few days (at least around 0.5-1 degree).

Anyway, your pic doesn't show the whole story; here is the rest of the story:

2)THE DONOR CAN HAVE 1/2/3 BISECTED SMALL TINY PARTS,as i inject them with the needle attached to the syringe...not with forcep..i think you have seen the photos of the bisected grafts in the two pics ,i posted.

That means, he then injects with a syringe 1 or 2 or 3 of these follicle bulbs (see didi's pic), which he simply cuts off from the extracted FUE grafts, into the either still bleeding FUE extraction holes or already crust forming FUE extraction holes at the donor site.

Besides the fact, that such a procedure, in general, is extremely time consuming (making proper FUE extractions, cutting of the grafts outside the body under magnification, implantation of the bisected grafts 1) into the with slits or holes prepared recipient site as well as 2) into the FUE extraction holes at the donor site etc) ...

... just the implantation or injection of 1 such a tiny follicle piece is already tricky in every situation; either still bleeding wounds or already crusts forming wounds - concerning the proper growth angle (if something growth at all out to the skin's surface, rather than cyst formation below the skin's surface), even if something grows at all, such grafts, as reported in studies, are very tricky to re-harvest properly.

And there is another BIG problem:
In the late 90s, Jahoda implanted up to 12 such small pieces into prepared small wounds - and it grew 1 "something" after month.

[didi]

You've got it, Spanish Dud!
It seems your low IQ has improved greatly during the past few days (at least around 0.5-1 degree).

Anyway, your pic doesn't show the whole story; here is the rest of the story:


That means, he then injects with a syringe 1 or 2 or 3 of these follicle bulbs (see didi's pic), which he simply cuts off from the extracted FUE grafts, into the either still bleeding FUE extraction holes or already crust forming FUE extraction holes at the donor site.

Besides the fact, that such a procedure, in general, is extremely time consuming (making proper FUE extractions, cutting of the grafts outside the body under magnification, implantation of the bisected grafts 1) into the with slits or holes prepared recipient site as well as 2) into the FUE extraction holes at the donor site etc) ...

... just the implantation or injection of 1 such a tiny follicle piece is already tricky in every situation; either still bleeding wounds or already crusts forming wounds - concerning the proper growth angle (if something growth at all out to the skin's surface, rather than cyst formation below the skin's surface), even if something grows at all, such grafts, as reported in studies, are very tricky to re-harvest properly.

And there is another BIG problem:
In the late 90s, Jahoda implanted up to 12 such small pieces into prepared small wounds - and it grew 1 "something" after month.

Regrowth in Toms donor looks fine, I don't see any issues with angles. My only concern at this point is recipient which will take 5-6 months time to evaluate.
yes its more labor intensive and time consuming than fue/invivo but luckily for us dr nigam is located in india where cost of labor is low compared to western countries.

Im impressed with what Ive seen so far, we need a few more cases like Tom9assuming all grows as predicted) and HT industry will never be the same again.

[534623]

Regrowth in Toms donor looks fine, I don't see any issues with angles.

...what makes the whole photo-story even more suspect - or could you ever see any implantation photo clear as the sky with encircled and numbered extraction/follicle-bulb implantation sites??

"donor looks fine" - yeah, sure...no doubts...

[Arashi]

...what makes the whole photo-story even more suspect - or could you ever see any implantation photo clear as the sky with encircled and numbered extraction/follicle-bulb implantation sites??

"donor looks fine" - yeah, sure...no doubts...

Agreed with IM here. We haven't seen a single good macro donor regrowth photo ... just yet ! I don't have any doubt we'll get to see that, but until now, it's impossible to conclude anything at all. We can't link the micro photo's and thus can't compare them to pre-op.

[Arashi]

@Dr Nigams, can you react to IM's comment ? It seems he has a fair comment when he's talking about the difficulties of for example the angle when you implant only a bulb ?

[Ted]

@Dr Nigams, can you react to IM's comment ? It seems he has a fair comment when he's talking about the difficulties of for example the angle when you implant only a bulb ?

I asked this about a week ago and got no answer.
I also wounder how you implant more than one bulb into an extraction site at the doner? I mean, some extraction sites have had 2-4 hair follicle grafts and should get 2-4 bulbs or are you just putting the bulbs close to the extraction site?

[drnigams]

tED,
You have to understand ,i will not divulge all the details of the technique...
Injecting with choir like implanter needle and syringe,is a very recent thing in my clinic.
i have two options of implanting the smaller bisected part..
1)Traditionally with forcep,at the donor..donor already have a bigger hole than this small bisected part of the graft..
2)Inject the smaller,tiny bisected part,placed in a choir like implanter..modified to a syringe and needle..one graft in each such needle and syringe,which the technician keeps ready..in mutiple such syringes...
for donor,it is ok and will not make difference, whether,i implant back with forcep,which will be preffered choice..as the donor extraction hole is alreay created while extracting...
But for recipient, such..single graft injection technique,is totally new innovation and serves few important functions..

Bisected Graft Implanting with injecting technique,avoids slits and incisions,thus less trauma,less or no bleed,faster regen of wound,not even microscarring,reduces shockloss,swelling...especially useful for recipient implantation..also great for giving high density..as injections can be given closely..
this also avoids pushing the graft into the incision sites at the recipient..

helps prevents propping of the grafts and avoids visibility loss due to bleed ..
in tom's case only approx.200 grafts were injected..rest traditionally implanted...
Arashi,have patience..have to wait 2/3 days ,as tom provides me macro pics,and we mark with circles..and have comparative pics..saw his recipient macro..already showing good growth with little shedding with scab...


UOTE=Ted;128212]I asked this about a week ago and got no answer.
I also wounder how you implant more than one bulb into an extraction site at the doner? I mean, some extraction sites have had 2-4 hair follicle grafts and should get 2-4 bulbs or are you just putting the bulbs close to the extraction site?[/QUOTE]

[534623]

tED,
You have to understand ,i will not divulge all the details of the technique...

...because IM will scientifically refuse all the details of "the technique" you yourself have no clue about - and the outcome.

Please be honest - you don't have any clue about the outcome of "the technique", because you simply CAN'T know anything about the outcome.

Injecting with choir like implanter needle and syringe,is a very recent thing in my clinic.

Is this a good or bad thing, when you use it just recent?

i have two options of implanting the smaller bisected part..
1)Traditionally with forcep,at the donor..donor already have a bigger hole than this small bisected part of the graft..

Is that a good or a bad thing, when you "implant" a small bisected part into a far bigger FUE extraction hole/wound?
You said it yourself in this post:
"...helps prevents propping of the grafts" - but just if you INJECT the part into an untouched skin; otherwise the contrary happens, especially within fresh far bigger FUE wounds.
So I think you should buy these very small follicle bulbs in the FUE extraction wounds either arm floats or ankers - or both....

What an idiotic procedure at all - causes just far more time and troubles.

But for recipient, such..single graft injection technique,is totally new innovation and serves few important functions..

Really? Isn't India considered as a third-world country - contrary to the Netherlands?

Bisected Graft Implanting with injecting technique,avoids slits and incisions,thus less trauma,less or no bleed,faster regen of wound,not even microscarring,reduces shockloss,swelling...especially useful for recipient implantation..also great for giving high density..as injections can be given closely..
this also avoids pushing the graft into the incision sites at the recipient..

helps prevents propping of the grafts and avoids visibility loss due to bleed ..

hmmm, everything sounds very, very well-known from another well-known website....they use this method since years already, but even they themselves consider this method still as "experimental".

[Phatalis]

...because IM will scientifically refuse all the details of "the technique" you yourself have no clue about - and the outcome.

Please be honest - you don't have any clue about the outcome of "the technique", because you simply CAN'T know anything about the outcome.


Is this a good or bad thing, when you use it just recent?

Is that a good or a bad thing, when you "implant" a small bisected part into a far bigger FUE extraction hole/wound?
You said it yourself in this post:
"...helps prevents propping of the grafts" - but just if you INJECT the part into an untouched skin; otherwise the contrary happens, especially within fresh far bigger FUE wounds.
So I think you should buy these very small follicle bulbs in the FUE extraction wounds either arm floats or ankers - or both....

What an idiotic procedure at all - causes just far more time and troubles.


Really? Isn't India considered as a third-world country - contrary to the Netherlands?


hmmm, everything sounds very, very well-known from another well-known website....they use this method since years already, but even they themselves consider this method still as "experimental".

While I do appreciate you scrutinizing nigams.. only for the fact that we all here want solid evidence of a new technique since people have been dicked over so many times... its unnecessary to insult someones country. That's jsut redic man. Lay off a bit.

IM man, you're like a blessing and a curse... you post great analysis.. you really do dig deep and you really know your shit. I love the criticism because we get real answers. But nigam is trying... and hes at least providing answers. Sure, criticize him but stop being so offensive about it man. It's unnecessary.

I'm going for an HST in august but at least nigams is attempting to provide evidence.. even HASCI hasnt done this that well.

I love the voice of reason in all of this: Arashi.

We all want a "cure" in the end.

[drnigams]

Im,
your language speaks volumes about where you come from...
We all consider you ..a patient who urgently needs a psychiatrist..

The space around the donor graft is filled with..growth factor and ecm gel,after injection of stemcells and dp cells...these are the floaters you wanted to know..!

You know nothing im..and your character tells the world ..where you come from...
when elephants walk..dogs bark..continue barking...members will throw you out..the way you have been thrown out of other forums..
MORE YOU INSITIGATE ME,MORE HST(im) exposure..WILL COME SOON...!

Do you have the guts...get the hst 50 grafts test ..
AND give higher REGEN THAN MY TECHNIQUE...
that is the only thing which matter...!

DON'T JUST BARK.. IF YOU HAVE GUTS .... GET A 50 GRAFT TEST..AND COMPARE...
HST HAVE NOT EVEN ENTERTAINED YOU...NIETHER RESPOND TO YOU..

I will not stoop low..to talk about your ethnicity...because you don't seem to belong to any culture on earth..

India gave numeric zero to the world,WHEN YOU DID NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO COUNT..
ipad was invented in india..manufactured in china..and marketed by america..

An indian..Laxmi arcelor mittal is the richest man of europe..i can employ hundreds like you..who have no work..and unemployed..AND HENCE FRUSTRATED...

...because im will scientifically refuse all the details of "the technique" you yourself have no clue about - and the outcome.

Please be honest - you don't have any clue about the outcome of "the technique", because you simply can't know anything about the outcome.


Is this a good or bad thing, when you use it just recent?

Is that a good or a bad thing, when you "implant" a small bisected part into a far bigger fue extraction hole/wound?
You said it yourself in this post:
"...helps prevents propping of the grafts" - but just if you inject the part into an untouched skin; otherwise the contrary happens, especially within fresh far bigger fue wounds.
So i think you should buy these very small follicle bulbs in the fue extraction wounds either arm floats or ankers - or both....

What an idiotic procedure at all - causes just far more time and troubles.


Really? Isn't india considered as a third-world country - contrary to the netherlands?


Hmmm, everything sounds very, very well-known from another well-known website....they use this method since years already, but even they themselves consider this method still as "experimental".

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Clown, there you have annoyed, go away from this forum no one wants you!