Hellouser's RU Log (with Minox, CB Nizoral and Saw Palmetto)

[HARIRI]

Hellouser, after reading thru your whole thread. I found out that RU is quite risky so I decided to go with CB and Minox regime since CB has zero sexual sides. So in this way, could you tell me briefly whats the best way to prepare it at home? The Kane Shop will deliver 1 gram of CORTEXOLONE 17ALPHA PROPIONATE FORM III. I'm planning to choose Ethanol/PG as a vehicle since its not sticky to the hair as Regaine using it as vehicle too.

Could you please tell me how much mg of CB I should put into how much ml of Ethanol and ml of PG???

[win200]

Sure:

http://www.thekaneshop.com/index.php/new-products/cortexolone-17alpha-propionate-1gram-form-iii.html

Well, theres other stuff thats out there that never made it to market but did go through clinical trials, like PSI, its a peptide that grew a lot of hair AND at the hairline. It got scrapped by Leo Pharma when they bought out the company that was working on it. Blame the fat business man asshole for that being killed off.

Then theres other stuff like emu oil, saba gel, PGD2 inhibitors, PGE2 promoters, etc. However, I've got a feeling that a synthetic form of FGF-9 injected to the scalp post wounding could give significant results.

Thanks, hellouser. I'm ordering CB tomorrow and I'll add it to my regimen. I'm lucky in that I've got, post transplant, a full head of hair--I'm *not* going to lose it, goddammit.

[hellouser]

Hellouser, after reading thru your whole thread. I found out that RU is quite risky so I decided to go with CB and Minox regime since CB has zero sexual sides. So in this way, could you tell me briefly whats the best way to prepare it at home? The Kane Shop will deliver 1 gram of CORTEXOLONE 17ALPHA PROPIONATE FORM III. I'm planning to choose Ethanol/PG as a vehicle since its not sticky to the hair as Regaine using it as vehicle too.

Could you please tell me how much mg of CB I should put into how much ml of Ethanol and ml of PG???

Cosmo used 1% and 5% concentrations in their iontophoresis trials. Thus, per 1ml you should use 10mg - 50mg. I'm currently using around 13mg/1ml.

If CB proves more effective than RU, there will be no reason to use RU anymore.... unless there are side effects which we aren't aware of from CB, though the same can be said for RU. Its kind of a gamble.

[nliyan25]

CB

Cosmo used 1% and 5% concentrations in their iontophoresis trials. Thus, per 1ml you should use 10mg - 50mg. I'm currently using around 13mg/1ml.

If CB proves more effective than RU, there will be no reason to use RU anymore.... unless there are side effects which we aren't aware of from CB, though the same can be said for RU. Its kind of a gamble.

Hey Hellouser, I see that you bought an extra 4 grams of CB from somewhere outside of Kane. Where exactly did you purchase that from?

[hellouser]

Hey Hellouser, I see that you bought an extra 4 grams of CB from somewhere outside of Kane. Where exactly did you purchase that from?

It was a 'group buy' on another forum. I've yet to receive my CB from it as it hasn't been made yet, thus, I dont know what the source is.

[hellouser]

***UPDATE***

I got my Oleyl and PG.

Prepared 4 batches of it again at 12.5mg of CB per 1ml.
I used 3.6ml of PG and 0.4ml of Oleyl for a total of 4ml, therefor, for every 1ml application, I have 0.9ml of PG and 0.1ml of Oleyl.

Here's a shot of Kane's CB in PG *only*. This has been stirred and mixed with my dropper. Actually what I do to mix CB (or RU) in liquids is by squeezing and letting go with the dropper pretty quickly, basically sucking in and out until its mixed. As you can see, CB does dissolve but *slowly* in PG:



The next shot is of CB in PG and Oleyl after its been added and mixed a little again. As you can see its not 100% dissolved (unless we're seeing small bubbles). Its actually difficult to distinguish CB from the little air bubbles when you mix it up, PG is pretty oil as is Oleyl.



The next shot we see that CB dissolves completely in PG and Oleyl when we wait for a couple minutes:



So, after my first application of 1ml I can say the following:

1) Its pretty greasy.
2) Its itchy.
3) It has a very mild burning sensation when spread around the scalp.
4) Oleyl smells like fish oil supplement pills.

As for my progress so far... well, obviously its way too early as hair grows DAMN SLOW, however I can say this: every time I've applied CB, the next day I've noticed a significant decrease in shedding when I was using it in an ethanol/PG vehicle (50/50 concentration). Does it work? Well, it stops shedding, lol. We'll see if it regrows like the Cosmo claims.

[Californication]

What do you guys make of chest discomfort with RU?

I don't know whether it's the cause, but I'm a young fit guy, and I've been having slight chest pain last two weeks or so. Researched and it does seem there is a small precedent for it, a guy by the name of Maradona even posted about it on baldtruth talk. Gonna go see the doc tomorrow, make sure everythings ok.

Most concerning was this Spanish thread that Maradona posted: http://www.ganarpelo.org/foro/viewto...p?f=12&t=31889

In it, the guy who claims RU gave him heart failure also. He also says he was in correspondence with Boldy and that Boldy said the following: "Boldy by email has told me "CB destroyed my heart"."

It'd be great if Boldy could give some insight on this as other antiandrogen blockers are supposedly known to cause heart failure/problem (?).

Not to alarm anyone, CB is supposed to be without side effects, and this RU effect must be rare, but still, figured it was my duty to share what I'd been experiencing/read.

[JJacobs152]

hellouser, when can we expect a future picture update?

[HARIRI]

Hellouser, what is your opinion on Minoxidil 10%? I'm already using Minoxidil 5% once a day before bedtime and found out last week that MPB treatments are selling plain standard Minoxidil (custom strength): http://www.mpbtreatments.com/#/shop/...ength)/2140606

Whats your advice upon that? Would I upgrade my intake to Minoxidil 10% once a day instead of 5% once a day? Need your golden advice Bro.

[The Dark Knight]

KB solution, a vehicle for RU is supposed to eliminate the side effects as.. you could try mixing RU in that?

Interesting, but I think I've had it with RU, I may just try CB. If I do, I'll make a thread showing any results

[Atum]

Think that i'm gonna give this a try.
I don't use minox, so it should give a indication if it works or not without minox.

Just to be clear, is the product called: Cortexolone 17alpha propionate Form III on the Kane website?

[hellouser]

Just to be clear, is the product called: Cortexolone 17alpha propionate Form III on the Kane website?

Yes.

[Californication]

Anyone in contact with Boldy? He's a trustworthy member so did he actually say "CB destroyed my heart" as the guy on the spanish forum who suffered from heart failure while on RU claim?

This is important information for anyone looking to take the drug.

[yan]

If you search the internet, you will find some of boldys statements:

"Do you notice irregular heartbeat + chest pressure/ PAIN with CB? If so, I would drop it. that was the reason I quit CB. "

So it seems like boldy had heart problems. But I searched the net for like 10 mins and he is the only person reporting that kind of side effect... Even if he is trustworthy, he`s just one person who used CB in wrong form and with the wrong vehicle. Cosmo tested this stuff on dozens of persons in a phase 2 european pilot study (http://intrepidthera.com/wp-content/...ifu-et-al-.pdf), in several pre-clinical trials and and and... They never reported ANY systemic side-effects. In early 2014 we will have phase 2 acne results. So by then, we will know even more about possible side-effects...

From the phase 2 european pilot study document:
"Regarding systemic tolerability, no clinically important abnormalities were detected in any treated group in haematology, clinical laboratory, urinalysis, vital signs and other observations related to safety"

[thatkidd]

Yes.

Hey Hell, getting in a little late here where did you get your Oleyl? Does it need to be 99%? What I've seen is damn expensive (obviously, money is no object in this game though)

Thanks for everything you do. RU gave me sides so is a no go...hoping to try CB.

Thanks!