50 grafts patch test in Vitro Hair Doubling as requested by GC @Dr. Nigam's

[534623]

Let's use this example, you extract 100 single FU's from the donor, and all 100 of these single FU's grow back in the donor, then you have 100% - The maximum. How can you get more in the donor than 100%?

Exactly - how can you get more in the donor than 100%??

[gc83uk]

GC,
actually im claims invivo hair multiplication with stemcells.
He should ideally have more than 100% regen as he can multiply follicles with his preservation medium etc.
GC,
more than 100% regen means when dp mesenchymal cells,activated stemcells from various parts of follicle plus growth stimulating growth factors are injected into a bisected or wounded follicle there is enough stuff to create new follicles than originally present...or else dr nigams,aderans and all others should not have any result from their stemcell solution when injected even on a normal non wounded scalp without any proto bisected hair structure.

What Iron Man claims in terms of his knowledge on Hair Multiplication and what Hasci/Gho do is completely separate. I hope you understand this.

Ok, so your saying you can increase the number of hairs in each FU than there originally was.

The thing is, I'm not talking about the number of hairs, I'm talking about the FU's. Surely it's possible that you extract a graft that is in telogen?

For example, NSN only shows 80% regrowth of the regrown FU's around his birthmark.

[gc83uk]

I think what he says is that if you add the right mixture of stem cells to the graft, it will generate extra follicles.

Yes I get this, but it's distracting from the original question IMO

[Arashi]

So wait. According to you guys, IM and GC, the failed regrowth is due to extraction of grafts that are in the telogen phase. Which makes a lot of sense, since it would explain that 20% being pretty contstant.

According to Dr Nigam on the other hand, failed regrowth is due to imperfect cutting of the graft. He's going to try to do that better with his ultrasound gear. But if this is not even a factor, like GC and IM claim, then what's the point of using ultrasound technology anyway ?

[gc83uk]

So wait. According to you guys, IM and GC, the failed regrowth is due to extraction of grafts that are in the telogen phase. Which makes a lot of sense, since it would explain that 20% being pretty contstant.

According to Dr Nigam on the other hand, failed regrowth is due to imperfect cutting of the graft. He's going to try to do that better with his ultrasound gear. But if this is not even a factor, like GC and IM claim, then what's the point of using ultrasound technology anyway ?

Well I think so, but I think we should hear it from the horses mouth. Maybe some admittance from Dr Nigam, that it is indeed possible to mistakenly extract a FU which is in telogen. If this happens then this FU is likely to not regrow and a hairless gap will exist. If he can confirm this or disprove it that would be interesting.

[Arashi]

Well I think so, but I think we should hear it from the horses mouth. .

Should be very interesting. Cause if you guys are right, then everything that Dr Nigams has been doing and saying here pretty much was total BS. Using ultrasound technology won't make ANY difference at all in that case.

[drnigams]

gc,
nsn shows 8 fu growing as doubles out of the 9 visible in the photo posted ,one extraction site was outside the frame of the photo,you can confirmt he same.
Which means 90% regeneration at donor.
1graft did not show up as on today because in most probability it was extracted from the root as a complete follicular unit as in fue.
Yes we may extract a graft in telogen like any fue/fut procedure can also have the grafts in telo and anagen.
IN in vivo one can loose grafts at the donor when a complete fu is extracted or would seem to have lost the fu at donor or recipient when certain fu may be in telogen,but will only seem to have been lost ,it will come back when it comes to anagen phase.
it may be new to you about their claim of regen with preservation media..just read their patent..preservation media contents have been claimed to activate stemcells and multiply follicles...than what are we wasting time in labs and working towards creating a hair germ in the lab to create new follicles..because im has invented a preservation media to do that and im can also extract the impossible stemcell from the follicle in vivo with his special triple waved needle and create new follicles...
If only extracted or activated stemcells at bulge that is cd34+ can create new hair than aderans dr nigam would have been 100% successful with our hm solution injections with millions of such cells and more....

What Iron Man claims in terms of his knowledge on Hair Multiplication and what Hasci/Gho do is completely separate. I hope you understand this.

Ok, so your saying you can increase the number of hairs in each FU than there originally was.

The thing is, I'm not talking about the number of hairs, I'm talking about the FU's. Surely it's possible that you extract a graft that is in telogen?

For example, NSN only shows 80% regrowth of the regrown FU's around his birthmark.

[534623]

But let me tell you with full confidence that ..the so called ..PRESERVATION media is an ILLUSION and and does not have the power to multiply follicles.

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some additional factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - but never reached ...

[gc83uk]

gc,
nsn shows 8 fu growing as doubles out of the 9 visible in the photo posted ,one extraction site was outside the frame of the photo,you can confirmt he same.
Which means 90% regeneration at donor.
1graft did not show up as on today because in most probability it was extracted from the root as a complete follicular unit as in fue.
Yes we may extract a graft in telogen like any fue/fut procedure can also have the grafts in telo and anagen.
IN in vivo one can loose grafts at the donor when a complete fu is extracted or would seem to have lost the fu at donor or recipient when certain fu may be in telogen,but will only seem to have been lost ,it will come back when it comes to anagen phase.
it may be new to you about their claim of regen with preservation media..just read their patent..preservation media contents have been claimed to activate stemcells and multiply follicles...than what are we wasting time in labs and working towards creating a hair germ in the lab to create new follicles..because im has invented a preservation media to do that and im can also extract the impossible stemcell from the follicle in vivo with his special triple waved needle and create new follicles...
If only extracted or activated stemcells at bulge that is cd34+ can create new hair than aderans dr nigam would have been 100% successful with our hm solution injections with millions of such cells and more....

hehe ok, but you don't really believe Iron Man works for Hasci do you?

I think your smarter than that.

He has nothing to do with Hasci, so whatever Iron Man claims he can do, which maybe he can, but still they aren't the words of Hasci.

[Arashi]

gc,
media..just read their patent..preservation media contents have been claimed to activate stemcells and multiply follicles....

Do you have an URL/link please ?

[gc83uk]

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some addition factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - never reached ...

There you go Dr Nigam - Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles.

Straight fron Iron Man.

You must have misunderstood him somewhere to claim otherwise.

[JJJJrS]

Should be very interesting. Cause if you guys are right, then everything that Dr Nigams has been doing and saying here pretty much was total BS. Using ultrasound technology won't make ANY difference at all in that case.

I'm not familar with the technology and how well it can be applied for hair transplants, but theoretically, a device that could "unblind" the extraction process would be very useful. Even for HST, you would be able to avoid extracting hairs in the telogen phase.

[drnigams]

Common IM , explain this to Arashi..you know it...If the lower regen in im's procedure was due to 20% fu being in telogen,than don't you understand the traditional fue and fut procedure will also have 20% fu in telogen...which means no transplantation in the world can create more than 80% regrowth of transplanted fu...a good way to cover up your technique flaw of lower regen...

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some addition factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - never reached ...

[Arashi]

I'm not familar with the technology and how well it can be applied for hair transplants, but theoretically, a device that could "unblind" the extraction process would be very useful. Even for HST, you would be able to avoid extracting hairs in the telogen phase.

But Dr Nigams never spoke about the telogen phase. He was only interested in cutting the graft at the right point. That's what I'm trying to say. If IM and GC are correct here, then Dr Nigams has been talking quite a bit of BS.

[534623]

gc,
nsn shows 8 fu growing as doubles out of the 9 visible in the photo posted ,one extraction site was outside the frame of the photo,you can confirmt he same.
Which means 90% regeneration at donor.

Could we see a high quality BEFORE photo of the birthmark area? No.

Could we see what exactly you extracted (just the follicles' tips??) around the birthmark area? No.

So far, you have proven absolutely NOTHING. Zilch, zero, nada <--that is much lesser than 100%! Just in case you have problems to understand ...