50 grafts patch test in Vitro Hair Doubling as requested by GC @Dr. Nigam's

[drnigams]

Does im bets on this...just google european patents by dr gho..there are few 2 to 3 such papers and you will find the following...
details about ecm like collagen ,laminin in preservation media to activate cd34+ stemcells in the extracted fu.
Roleof hdmc cell line in preservation medium,role of granulators like calcium chloride to speed up the activation process.
Nowhere as against the claim in their website the invention in the patent paper mentions that they extract stemcell by their triple wave needle.

Now our friend im, has gone to the last resort the oral medications given before and after the procedure is the secret ingredient...i did not think the im the surgeon ...will become im the physician depending on his oral prescription to multiply follicles...

There you go Dr Nigam - Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles.

Straight fron Iron Man.

You must have misunderstood him somewhere to claim otherwise.

[JJJJrS]

But Dr Nigams never spoke about the telogen phase. He was only interested in cutting the graft at the right point. That's what I'm trying to say. If IM and GC are correct here, then Dr Nigams has been talking quite a bit of BS.

Maybe this image will clear things up:

[534623]

But Dr Nigams never spoke about the telogen phase. He was only interested in cutting the graft at the right point. That's what I'm trying to say. If IM and GC are correct here, then Dr Nigams has been talking quite a bit of BS.

Do you think that, for example, someone like Dr. Cole would try to tell you BS concerning this issue?

[hellouser]

Maybe this image will clear things up:

That should clear things up for those going through shedding; it takes a minimum of 2 months to see a difference, and considering hair grows about 10cm/year then even after 3 months you'd still only see 1cm of hair, hence why noticeable (desired) results only come in at around 6 months or more. What also needs to be taken into account is that shedding doesnt start and stop all of a sudden, its a continuous process; we could be shedding from minoxidil/fin/ru/cb for sometime until things stabilize and we get consistency.

[Arashi]

Maybe this image will clear things up:

Actually, it only confuses me more: if Telogen is 5 weeks and anagen on average 4 years, then it doesn't explain the 80% .

5/(4*52) = 2.5% failed regrowth instead of 20%.

[drnigams]

gc, read the bold letters,
IM himself says the preservation medium triggers cell proliferation/cell division..please understand only one type of cells that is stemcells can proliferate..
That.s why he says his process is called hair stemcell.
And at the begining he says preservation medium does not multiply...im does not understands ..multiplication..cell division...proliferation ...is the same thing..!

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some additional factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - but never reached ...

[drnigams]

Arashi,
I have it stored in my e drive,will post all the links of claims in patent as against claims mentioned on the website tmr.

Do you have an URL/link please ?

[Arashi]

Arashi,
I have it stored in my e drive,will post all the links of claims in patent as against claims mentioned on the website tmr.

I'm think I'm just reading it. You mean this, right: http://www.google.com/patents/EP1957...ed=0CDcQ6AEwAA

[drnigams]

Arashi is smart..just let everybody read it and say what do they claim from thier preservation medium...remember you cannot hide anythting when you submit a paent application for a process...and compare with all the rubbish im is talking.. to misguide the members...

I'm think I'm just reading it. You mean this, right: http://www.google.com/patents/EP1957...ed=0CDcQ6AEwAA

[534623]

Does im bets on this...just google european patents by dr gho..there are few 2 to 3 such papers and you will find the following...
details about ecm like collagen ,laminin in preservation media to activate cd34+ stemcells in the extracted fu.
Roleof hdmc cell line in preservation medium,role of granulators like calcium chloride to speed up the activation process.
Nowhere as against the claim in their website the invention in the patent paper mentions that they extract stemcell by their triple wave needle.

Oh, really?


Just because an idiot like you can't find the proper information - it doesn't mean that something doesn't exist.

[drnigams]

IM , just read was arashi is readind in the link provided by her..this needle thing is just about grafts harvesting or do you believe you can harvest stemcells with this...stick to the point in discussion..losers lose their temper when they have nothing to talk...it says method
Read it properly .of harvesting the hair for transplant ( not harvesting stemcells)

Oh, really?


Just because an idiot like you can't find the proper information - it doesn't mean that something doesn't exist.

[hellouser]

Oh, really?


Just because an idiot like you can't find the proper information - it doesn't mean that something doesn't exist.

Unnecessary and uncalled for.

[534623]

IM , just read was arashi is readind in the link provided by her..this needle thing is just about grafts harvesting or do you believe you can harvest stemcells with this...stick to the point in discussion..losers lose their temper when they have nothing to talk..

What an incompetent question ...seriously...

Is here anywhere a layman who believes that someone can extract with a special needle a part of these with markers labeled stem cells ...

http://www.hasci.com/en/science/ (scroll down to THE pic!)

... he found within hair follicles in previous studies? No?

[Arashi]

I'm getting quite a bit confused by reading that HASCI patent.

A graft contains follicles and follicles produce hair. I always was under the impression that the main idea of Gho's technology was that if you don't tranplant the whole graft but only a part, then both parts will regenerate using stem cells.

However reading that patent they're talking about transplanting the hair (the dead material), when stem cells are still connected to it and that these stem cells are activated by the medium and hence start growing new hairs ? I'm very confused here. How can stem cells generate hair ? Stem cells can generate grafts and follicles, which in turn can generate hair.

It's getting late here and am probably reading things wrong and should probably stop posting at this point See you tomorrow

[drnigams]

EP 1957092 B1
Abstract (text from WO2007061291A2)

A method is described for the reproduction of hair by removing hair in the anagen phase in such a way that the hair stem cells which are responsible for hair growth are still attached to the hair removed, bringing these into contact with extracellular matrix components or substitutes therefor, and implanting the hair in the scalp. The application of extracellular matrix components or substitutes therefor for the reproduction of hair is also described.

Arashi is smart..just let everybody read it and say what do they claim from thier preservation medium...remember you cannot hide anythting when you submit a paent application for a process...and compare with all the rubbish im is talking.. to misguide the members...