Dr Nigam-Neversaynever update-hair doubling

[didi]

And where is the real proof for all your bold nigam-like claims?

For example...

Where is your real proof for such a real bold claim??

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11486

Here is the proof
You should thank me for doing all counting work,

I counted about 19% of transplanted hair from GCs 700 graft procedure,

I m still curious to count all the grafts that are growing, if Gc can provide good quality photos I can analize it

scrutiny breeds excelence and I see Dr Nigam catching up fast

Neversaynever confirmed it

[didi]

Iron Man,You didnt take your medication ...again!!
maybe its time to increase dosage

[534623]

I suggest GC takes good pics ...

How about YOUR OWN good pics??

Is here someone who has EVER seen any pic of this idiot's donor area or his bald head?

Guys, I can guarantee you that you will see A SHIT from such pussies!

[534623]

the donor is not becoming weaker and weaker, there is a loss, like they showed in their studies, some grafts won't regrow but the 80% regeneration is guaranteed and I guess for some it's even more regeneration, depends on your luck.'


Well, in GCs case 50% fully regenerated, 30 regeneretated with less hairs or thinner hairs, 20% didnt grow

That doesnt sound like 80% regeneration

As for recipient, 1.35 hair per grafts is growing


We did not count how many grafts are actually growing, would be interesting to do that,we shouldnt assume all implanted hst grafts are growing...

I suggest GC takes good pics and we do count,hst1 and hst2 can be counted easily since they were only small procedures,700 grafts each on slick bald scalp

And where is the real proof for all your bold nigam-like claims?

For example...

As for recipient, 1.35 hair per grafts is growing

Where is your real proof for such a real bold claim??

[didi]

the donor is not becoming weaker and weaker, there is a loss, like they showed in their studies, some grafts won't regrow but the 80% regeneration is guaranteed and I guess for some it's even more regeneration, depends on your luck.'


Well, in GCs case 50% fully regenerated, 30 regeneretated with less hairs or thinner hairs, 20% didnt grow

That doesnt sound like 80% regeneration

As for recipient, 1.35 hair per grafts is growing


We did not count how many grafts are actually growing, would be interesting to do that,we shouldnt assume all implanted hst grafts are growing...

I suggest GC takes good pics and we do count,hst1 and hst2 can be counted easily since they were only small procedures,700 grafts each on slick bald scalp

[Jairus]

Yes, that's correct. Here we have such a brand new HST case with weak growth who got gigantic 1200 HST grafts 9 month ago into is big bald recipient area...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/the-ppor-result-fraud.JPG

As you can see, the patient is completely destroyed now - and totally f***** up now.

What am I looking at here? Hairline/forelock recipient area? This could be 2 months post op and the grafts have fallen out and have yet to grow again?

[534623]

Im reading a lot about weak growth and there seems to be a fair bit of uncertainty flying around.

Yes, that's correct. Here we have such a brand new HST case with weak growth who got gigantic 1200 HST grafts 9 month ago into is big bald recipient area...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/the-ppor-result-fraud.JPG

As you can see, the patient is completely destroyed now - and totally f***** up now.

[caddarik79]

it is growing, I'm waiting to have a bit longer and to reach the final delay for results to post some pics.
I have one thread in HS were I put pictures at 6 months post op, you can go and have a look, same nickname, threads name is "recipient area"

[534623]

good to have you anyway, if you did not exist, I would maybe have done a bullshit FUE.

Perhaps...
...and including:

- permanent "shock loss" in the donor area;
- permanent redness in the recipient;
- poor growth in general in the recipient area;

That's at least what the guy reported in a german forum.

[Jairus]

Caddarik

How is the growth in your recipient area post HST? Im reading a lot about weak growth and there seems to be a fair bit of uncertainty flying around.

[caddarik79]

True that there are some weird twisted speeches etc, etc...

this need of discrediting Gho just because he is on another journey now, is a bit immature.

I had some nice emails with HASCI, very interesting, they are confident in themselves, were totally OK that I might go and check my donor with Mwamba microscope (note that Mwamba has my before situation, my virgin donor in record)... means that HASCI are confident, they just asked me to respect the nine month delay!!!

I have also asked about another procedure that I might consider, and asked if I could do another 1800, they said it should not be a problem.

I've also asked if it was better to do smaller sessions, like 1200 extractions to guarantee a better regeneration, they said, it doesn't matter, it will regenerate the same with 1200 and 1800.

About their limitation, they replied me that today the most grafted patient was 11.540, but they said and underlined that it was "today record", like, they could go further, they just have reached this point at this time.

They also said that a NW5-6 came with a request to go back at NW1, they were OK saying that on the technical level, it's feasable, but the cost of 50.000 euros stopped him!!!!

I also asked clearly if there are some real limitation, they told me it is an individual scale issue, technically, dr Coen Gho confirms that there are not really limitations, this is not splitting, the donor is not becoming weaker and weaker, there is a loss, like they showed in their studies, some grafts won't regrow but the 80% regeneration is guaranteed and I guess for some it's even more regeneration, depends on your luck.
I insisted on this point and sent them a video of Lorenzo who performed more than 11.000 grafts on FUE on a NW6, and told them that if they are so sure of regeneration, they should at least be able to do the double of Lorenzo... I gave an example of 3 * 8000 grafts, considering donor potentialities.

The correspondant told me that technically, there are "not limited" and "limited" at the same time, the characteristics of the patient are very important, he also said that they do not like to use the term "unlimited" because it makes no sense in hair transplant...I guess what he meant was, "don't ask for a infinite when you know it can not, even in terms of being able to put 150 grafts/cm2 density, stop dreaming of infinity, there are always limits" (probably adressed to some fanatics who would like to have the double of Brad Pitt density).

The interesting thing is that it was not said that 20.000 grafts was impossible, he just said 3 * 8000 grafts might be technically feasable but would cost 133.000 euros and that is ridiculous.

So, to summarize, I guess they haven't reached their maximum yet, the question of the real limitation is not really a closed file, they might totally be able to bring a NW6 to NW0, just the money would be an issue, the time it takes, some limitations with the skin, the healing...

he confirmed me that they have 1200 patients a year with 99% satisfaction, also that we are naive if we think they could run a business based on false claims, law would close their business if they were liars, he was really saying that it's crazy to even imagine, multi clinics with a patented technique, a brevet, studies..;and still, big lies behind it.

They will make Maastricht bigger, investing 2 millions euro in it and also Dr Coen Gho is still very much investing on research, so I guess, they want to go further...


The only thing is the cost, and that's where Nigam or any other break trough treatment might help us a bit...
So I would not criticize one or the other, I think we are lucky some doctors decided to stop only moving hairs from one place to another, these visionnaires guyz are a good deal for us... Nigam seemed so sure about 2017 being the hair cloning or HM era, in some of his threads.

We should all be constructive, stop fighting on discussions, see what happends, there is also this french Mousseigne dude who starts on the field... I am monitoring my hair growth post HST1, thinking about the next right move and monitoring these forums to see what's up!!!! good to have you anyway, if you did not exist, I would maybe have done a bullshit FUE.

[534623]

neversaynever, what made you decide to get a procedure with Nigam?

I know you were a little hesitant before but it would be interesting to hear what changed your mind ...

Yeah, what changed his mind? Let me look...

Just winging because I cant afford another HST right now

So someone like Dr. Nigam is THE man for such guys who are in desperate need for "more hairs for some bucks"...

...and especially such guys have therefore no problems at all either with being immorally in general and with supporting bold and fraudulent claims by such unscrupulously doctors ...for some (questionable) hairs...for almost no bucks...

btw - concerning "fraudulent claims" - more details on that in another post/thread.

"neversaynever is knowledgeably senior member patient" ...pffffffffft...

[Boldy]

Very interesting post indeed, there are two threads in Hairsite under HM, Hair cloning forums that are really interesting.

I don't like the bashing Gho thing, for sure, and also these pics showing big loss of dendity in donor are scary.

Would be cool that Nigam obliges the rest of the business to accelerate in the improvements of the technique, possibilities etc or to reconsider their prices.

the interesting thing is He is working on Dermal papilla cell culture :
allot of companies are currently trying to expand hair cells in a dish (vitro)
like http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/topics/index.html

or

what jahoda is doing:

http://www.dur.ac.uk/research/directory/staff/?mode=staff&id=25%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3EI

[caddarik79]

Very interesting post indeed, there are two threads in Hairsite under HM, Hair cloning forums that are really interesting.

I don't like the bashing Gho thing, for sure, and also these pics showing big loss of dendity in donor are scary.

Would be cool that Nigam obliges the rest of the business to accelerate in the improvements of the technique, possibilities etc or to reconsider their prices.

[JJJJrS]

neversaynever, what made you decide to get a procedure with Nigam? I know you were a little hesitant before but it would be interesting to hear what changed your mind and what your experience was like there.