Mousseigne, french doctor, on the road of donor regeneration

[Conpecia]

With all due respect to everyone, I find it amazing that anyone could get bent out of shape about what the inventor of a technique or service wants to charge for it.

These doctors will charge whatever the market will bare and if you can't afford it or don't have the credit to finance it, then you are shit out of luck. Thats the way the world works. I'd love to drive a BMW 7 series, but I can't afford it. Should I complain that BMW charges too much for their cars?

that's the thing, nobody's s.o.l. whatsoever if this product does not outperform gho and if we keep getting good news about histogen, etc.

the market isn't going to bare this in the first place unless it's cost-justified. if we can go get fue with a master like rahal on the hairline and then supplement with gho as needed at less expense and with better results then few people will pay those prices.

if lexus manufactured a superior car to the 7 series and charged much less for it, would you bring that up to the bmw dealer who shows up at your house and tries to sell you one?

it all rides on how well the recipient area looks and whether they can improve upon gho. hopefully they can take the technology further, regardless of the cost.

[PayDay]

that's the thing, nobody's s.o.l. whatsoever if this product does not outperform gho and if we keep getting good news about histogen, etc.

the market isn't going to bare this in the first place unless it's cost-justified. if we can go get fue with a master like rahal on the hairline and then supplement with gho as needed at less expense and with better results then few people will pay those prices.

if lexus manufactured a superior car to the 7 series and charged much less for it, would you bring that up to the bmw dealer who shows up at your house and tries to sell you one?

it all rides on how well the recipient area looks and whether they can improve upon gho. hopefully they can take the technology further, regardless of the cost.

That's completely correct. It's comes down to what the market will bare. Prices will be adjusted accordingly. If it turns out this is better than what we currently have, they can name their price. If someone comes out with the same thing for less, they will have to adjust their pricing to compete. If it's a flop, it has no bearing on the market. That's the way it works.

[MrBlonde]

We are talking about cosmetic surgery here, and unfortunately this IS considered a luxury item in most of the free world, just like a fancy car. I understand how this effects us emotionally, but cosmetic surgeons will always charge a premium for their service because they can. You guys just need to come to terms with this and adjust your finances accordingly.

The price of 17k for 2500 FUE is without regen in the donor which is what he is currently asking for a standard procedure op currently going for much less.

How do you justify this when you could get 2500+ fue for almost 10k less from another doc? Thats the problem we have. Its an insane mark up.

You mean to tell me you would not be angry if your local shop started charging £17 pound for bread and milk when other shops a further walk away charged £7?

If you are ok with the "I'll charge whatever price I like" without looking at the industry standard then by all means go ahead and pay it. The phrase there is one born every minute springs to mind. Pleas note his price is for a standard non regen FUE and nothing more.

[534623]

The price of 17k for 2500 FUE is without regen in the donor which is what he is currently asking for a standard procedure op currently going for much less.

How do you justify this when you could get 2500+ fue for almost 10k less from another doc? Thats the problem we have. Its an insane mark up.

Who the hell is "Dr. Bruno Mousseigne" at all?
And who the hell is "Mathieu"?
Maybe I missed something ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=119942&postcount=10

... but that's everything he said so far.

Anyway, has anybody here ever seen any FUE results by Dr. Mousseigne?

In 2005, he published (in French) a "pocketbook" about FUE...

http://www.amazon.de/Calvitie-F-U-E-follicular-unit-extraction/dp/2913715109/ref=la_B004MPSEIE_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367512840&sr=1-1

..and I can only find 1 video about his FUE work on youtube:

http://youtu.be/br-n6TmkUyU

[Mathieu]

When I read forums, and BTT is unfortunately no exception, I often imagine that some users' head is a hollow cavity hosting a screaming, randomly jumping around chimp which is high on coke. I admit that this hysteria is both entertaining and distressing to watch. I also very much doubt it can be stopped with rational & honest arguments.... so I guess I'll just have to cope with it!

Anyway, I notice that the last pages are filled with agressive rants & speculations, fueled mostly by simplistic & demagogic reasonings. Some guys obviously have no grasp of economics, just as much as they ignore this particular HT market's reality.

Give me a few hours and I'll answer in detail to your main concerns. Hopefully it will clear out any misunderstanding for those who, inside their head, have an operative brain instead of a raging coke-addicted chimp.

[UK_]

With all due respect to everyone, I find it amazing that anyone could get bent out of shape about what the inventor of a technique or service wants to charge for it.

These doctors will charge whatever the market will bare and if you can't afford it or don't have the credit to finance it, then you are shit out of luck. Thats the way the world works. I'd love to drive a BMW 7 series, but I can't afford it. Should I complain that BMW charges too much for their cars?

Yes BMW should be outlawed because YOU cant afford to buy one of their cars.

Let the doctor charge 20 - 30k you get what you pay for, if you want scars and thin balding donor region then go pay 3,000 euros for a regular FUE.

[PayDay]

Yes BMW should be outlawed because YOU cant afford to buy one of their cars.

Let the doctor charge 20 - 30k you get what you pay for, if you want scars and thin balding donor region then go pay 3,000 euros for a regular FUE.

We all have the choice to vote with our pocketbooks. If you don't like the guy's prices, don't pay them

If he's offering the same FUE as other doctors, then logically there is no reason to pay so much more, unless you have the deposable income to pay the extra money for convenience of proximity or for some other personal reason. There are many doctors who charge $9 or $10 a graft in the U.S. and people pay it. It's their choice and if enough people choose not to pay those rates then the prices will go down. Its basic supply and demand economics.

It's the way the world works. If you want to change it, then go to medical school, become a HT doctor and charge what you consider a reasonable rate for the service.

@ Mathieu, You're not going to change the mentality of these people, so don't even try to address it.
I do hope that your clinic is offering something real here, but either way you will be abused by some of the people on here. Most of us, however are probably very reasonable.

[Delphi]

Personally, I'm not sure if this guy is legit, but bitching about his prices is a big waist of time. Payday makes sense, people can charge whatever they want, you do not have to pay it. You have complete control over that.

[caddarik79]

When I read forums, and BTT is unfortunately no exception, I often imagine that some users' head is a hollow cavity hosting a screaming, randomly jumping around chimp which is high on coke. I admit that this hysteria is both entertaining and distressing to watch. I also very much doubt it can be stopped with rational & honest arguments.... so I guess I'll just have to cope with it!

Anyway, I notice that the last pages are filled with agressive rants & speculations, fueled mostly by simplistic & demagogic reasonings. Some guys obviously have no grasp of economics, just as much as they ignore this particular HT market's reality.

Give me a few hours and I'll answer in detail to your main concerns. Hopefully it will clear out any misunderstanding for those who, inside their head, have an operative brain instead of a raging coke-addicted chimp.

LOL that's a very professional answer ;-)

I think we are right to ask about what will be your future price policy, especially regarding your actual price policy, 17.000 euros for 2500 grafts.

Why is it so disturbing? it totally makes sense to ask it as a very first question.
And as a strategy, I would advise you to tease us on that very matter...As you are not the first one bringing regenerative donor, if you want to make a difference it's either 100% regeneration and bigger sessions or same as Gho for less money.

I was the first to mention you here, until I discovered your prices for FUE...there is something really wrong with it.


Anyway, no hard feelings, be the one who brings the very good news of may, that will be refreshing.

[caddarik79]

And I will add that you suck at prospecting, stay cool and professional, don't call people "hysterical chimp" when they just underline that your prices are robbery, litteraly!!!


Don't play it too friendly and don't play it wrong like really insulting people.

If you are so smart, you know that people dealing with hair loss are not the happiest every day, if you are still a bit smart, you know that not everybody can give 20.000 dollars to keep a barely acceptable hairline with a poor 2500 fue grafts.

So, be the Messiah, be the one who really makes everybody happy and impatient here, don't be this pretentious easily upset Mousseigne ambassador, cause I would write to him just to tell him how you suck.

We are open, but not for being abused or manipulated.

I can't wait for your breaking stuffs, I will be the first to read and stay up to date.

[Mathieu]

caddarick79, you need to chill out. You didn't ask questions in a dialogical & civil way; instead, you immediately resorted to controversy and anathema.

Dr Mousseigne reads this board, you don't need to threaten me with denunciation

Maybe you should remain quiet until I release relevant informations about cost issues and other matters, don't you think? That may be a fair and wise initiative, as suggested by other BTT members.

[gc83uk]

Oh I'm sorry did I hurt your feelings? I wasn't specifically talking about you. More these comments:





People are making assumptions before any information is released and it no doubt is going to get worse. No one is going to come on here ever if they just get bashed before they even come out the gate. If someone is a shill or a scamer, then fine, but this guy hasn't released any information and already people are starting to freak out. I can only imagine what is going to happen when Ironman and the other Gho fanboys get involved. And i'll use whatever words I want including idiot thank you very much

The same thing that happens on this site all the time is happening with this thread just like replicel, aderans, ect. A little bit of information gets released and then there are 20 pages of outrageous speculation based on nothing.

Whinging about whinging! Nobody cares pal.

[TravisB]

Lol, what's the deal with sudden break out of donor regeneration techniques?

It looks like anyone know how to do donor regeneration these days.

First it was Gho (but his legitimacy isn't confirmed), then Nigam and now some Frenchman.

Something is not right here.

[caddarik79]

caddarick79, you need to chill out. You didn't ask questions in a dialogical & civil way; instead, you immediately resorted to controversy and anathema.

Dr Mousseigne reads this board, you don't need to threaten me with denunciation

Maybe you should remain quiet until I release relevant informations about cost issues and other matters, don't you think? That may be a fair and wise initiative, as suggested by other BTT members.

I think I will find myself a zoo and prepare an ultimate chimp numero ;-)


You know the general atmosphere of forums, it should not surprise you.
I reacted on facts (prices on your site), nothing suspect here, just a reaction...and I am a potential patient, not the communication assistant of a doctor... I might not have been the most civil, but you know there are so many cupid, greedy, unethic people in the field (you know this huge french cosmetic company/empire who sells stem cells snakeoils for 100 euro per month) of hair loss that people start to be tired and defensive.

Now, you might surprise us, you seem confident, maybe you are a good news...
But it makes sense to assume you will ask more money for FUE-L then for FUE, and your FUE is ridiculously expensive!!!! simple deduction...

Now if you proof us wrong, it's all benefit for everybody, especially if you bring something as good as what Gho is offering...which still indeed, needs to be demonstrated.

[greatjob!]

Whinging about whinging! Nobody cares pal.

Enter the Gho fanboys...