Addressing root cause of male pattern baldness: a well known approach?

[Aston]

I have low SHBG and low DHT. How does that factor into all of this?

Because of high carb diet and/or advancing age, your entire metabolic rate slowed down and hormonal levels got lowered. If i'm right and your case is age, then only the hormonal therapy i talked about in this thread could bring it to acceptable levels again. Some people on a certain forum do it together with other anti-aging hormonal replacements.

Is the low DHT you talk about serum DHT? In that case it's typical. When what i mentioned above occurs, your serum DHT rises, but the organism quickly fights it by producing extra estrogens. Your scalp and prostate however produce their own DHT, which keeps the local levels high despite low serum DHT.

[WashedOut]

Because of high carb diet and/or advancing age, your entire metabolic rate slowed down and hormonal levels got lowered. If i'm right and your case is age, then only the hormonal therapy i talked about in this thread could bring it to acceptable levels again. Some people on a certain forum do it together with other anti-aging hormonal replacements.

Is the low DHT you talk about serum DHT? In that case it's typical. When what i mentioned above occurs, your serum DHT rises, but the organism quickly fights it by producing extra estrogens. Your scalp and prostate however produce their own DHT, which keeps the local levels high despite low serum DHT.

I'm in my early 20's. Looking at my results it doesn't say whether it is serum DHT or not.

[2020]

Nice, 2020, you actually contribute to the topic of this thread!
Check this: http://phys.org/news113902673.html

The title is self explanatory. High carb diet > fatty liver > low SHBG (among other things) > high DHT.

I only agree with low SHBG -> high DHT part.
If you have low SHBG, yes your MPB may become faster. How do you raise it?

[2020]

I have low SHBG and low DHT. How does that factor into all of this? You can see my results here http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8794

"amount" of DHT is irrelevant.... something like 95% of it is "unused" anyways

[Aston]

WashedOut, interpreting lab results is an art.
A good rule of thumb is that you want to be in the top third of most of your androgen hormones. You have low DHT, T, SHBG and FSH, plus relatively high estradiol. (The high estradiol down-regulates serum DHT, hence why it's low, unfortunately it's high in your prostate and follicles, which can produce it locally.)
Any proper doctor will interpret results according to their relative positions and not whether they fit the ranges or not. All the ranges include sick individuals as well as healthy ones. Considering this the best values are always in the top third of their respective ranges, adjusted for personal variation.

Your hormonal tone is clearly all-together abnormally low, yet sub-clinically so. You can see the pattern very well yourself according to my rule of thumb. This is not immediately disease-inducing, but according to the theory i voice in this thread, your hair loss is a consequence of your decreased metabolic tone, which has the evolutionary purpose to signal females your level of hormonal health. Such decreased metabolic tone is clearly a disadvantage and needs to be addressed.

I recommend switching to paleo diet and leptin reset protocol (with 3-4 weeks of slow adaptation).

Google "Jack Kruse Leptin Reset" (first result) and "Paleo Diet" (mark's daily apple and robb wolf's site are some of the best to start)

It should work from 6-8 weeks if you are constant, but may take up to half a year.

Lastly, please keep in mind that i am a biology student and not a qualified doctor.

[2020]

yeah I'm not going to change my diet, it ain't that bad anyways... I'm just going to eat what I want and live to mid 80's with no major health problems like all the other balding people in my family. I'm fine with going bald eventually.

whatever happened to ****ing androgen sensitivity?

I just need to raise SHBG and lower DHT a little without touching 5AR. How do I do that? I found two things: T3 and Estrogens. anything else?

[WashedOut]

WashedOut, interpreting lab results is an art.
A good rule of thumb is that you want to be in the top third of most of your androgen hormones. You have low DHT, T, SHBG and FSH, plus relatively high estradiol. (The high estradiol down-regulates serum DHT, hence why it's low, unfortunately it's high in your prostate and follicles, which can produce it locally.)
Any proper doctor will interpret results according to their relative positions and not whether they fit the ranges or not. All the ranges include sick individuals as well as healthy ones. Considering this the best values are always in the top third of their respective ranges, adjusted for personal variation.

Your hormonal tone is clearly all-together abnormally low, yet sub-clinically so. You can see the pattern very well yourself according to my rule of thumb. This is not immediately disease-inducing, but according to the theory i voice in this thread, your hair loss is a consequence of your decreased metabolic tone, which has the evolutionary purpose to signal females your level of hormonal health. Such decreased metabolic tone is clearly a disadvantage and needs to be addressed.

I recommend switching to paleo diet and leptin reset protocol (with 3-4 weeks of slow adaptation).

Google "Jack Kruse Leptin Reset" (first result) and "Paleo Diet" (mark's daily apple and robb wolf's site are some of the best to start)

It should work from 6-8 weeks if you are constant, but may take up to half a year.

Lastly, please keep in mind that i am a biology student and not a qualified doctor.

I've had my T3 and T4 checked and they were slightly overactive but not anything serious. What is metabolic tone exactly?

[Aston]

I've had my T3 and T4 checked and they were slightly overactive but not anything serious. What is metabolic tone exactly?

"Metabolic tone" is what i call the overall hormone levels in an individual, relative to their effect on the individual's metabolism. I'm not sure whether there's even a proper term. As we age, all our hormones get lowered and our metabolism slows down. It's the sign our body is getting worn down from... well, living.

In other words, i refer to the metabolism of an individual of a certain age as "metabolic tone" to differentiate between whether the speed of their metabolism is right or not for their age. I believe men with MPB in their twenties (such as myself) have a lowered metabolic tone, caused by a high Glycemic Index diet (high carb, or modern american diet approved by USDA).

[2020]

I've had my T3 and T4 checked and they were slightly overactive but not anything serious. What is metabolic tone exactly?

what was your TSH?

[2020]

I believe men with MPB in their twenties (such as myself) have a lowered metabolic tone, caused by a high Glycemic Index diet (high carb, or modern american diet approved by USDA).

are you MisterE? You do realize all that shit was non-existent 30 years ago and yet our parents went bald...

stop with this diet shit. No one is changing their diet for hair. The goal now:

raise SHBG
lower DHT without 5AR

[Aston]

are you MisterE? You do realize all that shit was non-existent 30 years ago and yet our parents went bald...

stop with this diet shit. No one is changing their diet for hair. The goal now:

raise SHBG
lower DHT without 5AR

Japan after WW2. Drastically increased AGA. Increased caloric intake. Westernization of diet.

Also, blocking DHT without 5AR is a futile wish. The extra T will still turn into E2 and you'll get gyno and post-finasteride syndrome all the same. Curing leptin resistance will raise your SHBG...

[2020]

Japan after WW2. Drastically increased AGA. Increased caloric intake. Westernization of diet.

citation needed.

do you acknowledge follicle AR sensitivity. Yes/No?
I'm not disagreeing with this hormone stuff it's just that you're going about this the wrong way...

[Aston]

citation needed.

I have no time to go look for what is common knowledge in balding communities. Use google, you will find it.

do you acknowledge follicle AR sensitivity. Yes/No?
I'm not disagreeing with this hormone stuff it's just that you're going about this the wrong way...

Yes, men with AR sensitivity genes WILL go bald at some point. What i'm trying to figure out is whether going bald at 20 should be as common as it is and whether it can be fought at its roots. No matter the way you look at it, it evolutionarily makes no sense for a man to go bald at 20 when his first worry is reproduction and women across all races consider baldness unattractive.
Couple this with the hormonal "imperfections" of balding men and a clear pattern emerges. A pattern many others are starting to see. A metabolic one.

[2020]

I have no time to go look for what is common knowledge in balding communities. Use google, you will find it.

nope! There hasn't been ANY STUDIES that even tried proving this WW2 japanese balding theory... people like you mention it a lot but there is no actual source for that.

Yes, men with AR sensitivity genes WILL go bald at some point.

it's not as simple as sensitive vs nonsensitive, there is a wide range with that. Some people have sensitivity 50x higher than non-balding people..

What i'm trying to figure out is whether going bald at 20 should be as common as it is and whether it can be fought at its roots. No matter the way you look at it, it evolutionarily makes no sense for a man to go bald at 20 when his first worry is reproduction and women across all races consider baldness unattractive.
Couple this with the hormonal "imperfections" of balding men and a clear pattern emerges. A pattern many others are starting to see. A metabolic one.

it isn't that common dude... do you know what an average diet of a college aged student consists of yet I don't see many people my age balding.


Hormonal imperfections right which is why I suggested treating it by raising SHBG(good if it was low) and lowering DHT... what's wrong with that?

[Aston]

2020, you always have tunnel vision. Okay, you have low SHBG. Ask yourself why.
Can't answer? Then shush and listen.

Study examining the japanese case (sorry, need access for article): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14527633

Overlook:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/319942-the-paleo-diet-hair-loss/