Addressing root cause of male pattern baldness: a well known approach?

[Aston]

not trolling. You said raising progesterone and cortisol would help. I provided a study where someone tried treating MPB with topical progesterone. It didn't work.
What WOULD work then?

There's a list of steps at the end of my opening post. The original site i took it from has a series of detailed therapeutic notes following the overview that i pasted in my first post.

[2020]

if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

circulation, thyroid, NAFLD, leaky gut, gluten, toxins, estrogen, progesterone, cortisol, diet, inflammation, dht metabolism, masturbation, stress.....

I'm curious what else you people are going to blame next? Everything already has been tried and so far none of it worked....

[Aston]

if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

circulation, thyroid, NAFLD, leaky gut, gluten, toxins, estrogen, progesterone, cortisol, diet, inflammation, dht metabolism, masturbation, stress.....

I'm curious what else you people are going to blame next? Everything already has been tried and so far none of it worked....

Not only you're not making sense, but you keep trolling without any meaningful addition to the discussion despite being just called on it.

Also, welcome to science. As new evidence appears, old theories are discarded or integrated, until a theory that can't be refuted appears. All i'm asking for is actual science or solid logic to refute this one.

Compared to miracle drugs or homemade snake oils that can be found on hair loss sites, i believe a strictly scientific theory advocated by notable endocrinologists deserves a serious approach.

[2020]

Not only you're not making sense, but you keep trolling without any meaningful addition to the discussion despite being just called on it.

how am I trolling? Tell me I'm wrong...

Also, welcome to science. As new evidence appears, old theories are discarded or integrated, until a theory that can't be refuted appears. All i'm asking for is actual science or solid logic to refute this one.

how are you using science? People on IH still think that those things I listed above are the cause of MPB. No one has regrew hair in years. When are you going to give up?

people on IH still think circulation is the cause of hair loss even though it's been proven to be wrong DECADES AGO....

Compared to miracle drugs or homemade snake oils that can be found on hair loss sites, i believe a strictly scientific theory advocated by notable endocrinologists deserves a serious approach.

what are they?

[mpb47]

Aging is the multifactorial condition par excellence. Dying of "old age" implies a systemic failure: it can be organ failure, illness or other circumstances. MPB is caused by excessive DHT metabolism coupled with androgen receptors in the hair follice. Attributing "large genetic variability" to the causes of both equally is an imprecise use of a relative definition.
While it is impossible to calculate reliably "susceptibility" to death at a certain age (too many genes to consider), it is relatively easy to calculate susceptibility to MPB. Even mpb47's grandma can do it reliably from her experience alone.

She saw a pattern to our "patterns" so to speak She said it went back to my great grandfather at least but probably at least more back (great great grandfather). All those men went bald around the same time and even the same sequence/pattern.

I see people in this thread saying you don't follow your family: Well they have a point too. Because often you get your mpb from both sides of the family so it is a "mixture" and hard to predict your pattern. I was just "lucky" enough to get my mpb solely or mostly from my mothers side.


Here is a question for you guys to debate:
DHT/Test decline as we age. Yet pattern balding beccomes more common with age.

This article says that it is still increasing at age 70 so why does it increase if T/DHT decreases. It has a pattern so it is not old age thinning???

http://www.jle.com/en/print/e-docs/00/01/88/AE/article.phtml

[Aston]

mpb47: as i said earlier, this would also confirm this theory, in which DHT isn't the main cause, it is the downregulation of competitor hormones which causes it. So while DHT decreases, so do the competitor hormones (at differing rates) and DHT metabolism becomes more and more prominent. Old age = decrease in metabolism speed = decline in certain hormones = more prominent DHT action.

2020:
You are using a giant font to say something that doesn't affect the validity of the theory in discussion, you are thus a troll.

As for science, this isn't my own theory. Medical professionals have "come up" with it. The ongoing research documentation is provided on the site i took the article from, but i can't link it here, it seems. If anyone wants a link i can email it. Likewise for the list of medical practitioners advocating this method.

[clandestine]

Aston holding his own up in this thread; nice.

[2020]

first of all: NO ONE STARTS BALDING AT AGE 70.

That 20/30/40 statistics are bs. Only 50% of people are balding at age 50? Really? I would say 85% easily and I'm still being generous leaving 15% of population with perfect norwood 1 at age 50....

[2020]

2020:
You are using a giant font to say something that doesn't affect the validity of the theory in discussion, you are thus a troll.

no... but this is how I would summarize entire IH community. You guys blame everything for causing MPB.

As for science, this isn't my own theory. Medical professionals have "come up" with it. The ongoing research documentation is provided on the site i took the article from, but i can't link it here, it seems. If anyone wants a link i can email it. Likewise for the list of medical practitioners advocating this method.

how come no one has solved it yet? It's been years! Safe to say that it wouldn't work?

[mpb47]

first of all: NO ONE STARTS BALDING AT AGE 70.

That 20/30/40 statistics are bs. Only 50% of people are balding at age 50? Really? I would say 85% easily and I'm still being generous leaving 15% of population with perfect norwood 1 at age 50....

Well my dad did. No loss that i could see till 70 when the circle started in the back.

Have you guys every thought that maybe there are multiple causes for mpb?
DHT primary cause, then something else in older men?

[Aston]

Well my dad did. No loss that i could see till 70 when the circle started in the back.

Have you guys every thought that maybe there are multiple causes for mpb?
DHT primary cause, then something else in older men?

The decline of hormone production (and DHT agonist Progesterone) fits perfectly, does it not?

[2020]

Well my dad did. No loss that i could see till 70 when the circle started in the back.

Have you guys every thought that maybe there are multiple causes for mpb?
DHT primary cause, then something else in older men?

really??? perfect NW1 until age 70? Not possible

The decline of hormone production (and DHT agonist Progesterone) fits perfectly, does it not?

but I did post a study where they tried TREATING MALE PATTERN BALDNESS BY INCREASING PROGESTERONE.
IT DIDN'T WORK.

what else do you want us to do? Take a bunch of armour thyroid???

[mpb47]

really??? perfect NW1 until age 70? Not possible

Well i am sure he probably had some old age mild thinning but no pattern till 70. He also had no gray hair till mid to late 60's. People thought he was much younger than he really was till he got sick (~70) and aged 20 years in about 2 years.

[Aston]

but I did post a study where they tried TREATING MALE PATTERN BALDNESS BY INCREASING PROGESTERONE.
IT DIDN'T WORK.

what else do you want us to do? Take a bunch of armour thyroid???

Hormones in the human organism are all tightly correlated in a dynamic balance. Whenever this balance is broken, it entails that multiple hormones and tissues aren't operating as you want them to, for one reason or another. In this case, insufficient cortisol-line hormone levels isn't solved with progesterone supplementation, but with a rebalance of the existing situation.

Furthermore, i don't want anyone to do anything, just discuss this theory on a logical and/or scientific standpoint.
People with MPB who took more or less comprehensive hormonal tests before are also welcome to share the data, which could offer more insights.

You see, having a hormonal imbalance is a problem on its own. People who notice one such problem should be treated accordingly. This may very well include a small thyroid hormone supplementation, but only after medical prescription. If this happens to improve MPB, then everyone wins. This theory identifies MPB as a possible symptom of a specific hormonal imbalance which could be rampant in young men and more or less undetected in our society (while being "natural" in aging men).

[2020]

right, but you're saying that somehow ramping up your thyroid will boost those needed hormones(prog, cort)???

here is your cure for MPB:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005MP99R8/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00