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  • Davey Jones
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 356

    #61
    Originally posted by bob13
    This site should have a gay section for this talk.
    If you think this is gay, you should see all the half naked men gettin' posted in Scorpion's newest thread.

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    • beatinghairloss
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 213

      #62
      Originally posted by Davey Jones
      C'mon, beatinghairloss, what's the angle? All this stuff is demonstratably untrue. Why are you here? Trying to work on your debate skills? Picking a completely indefensible position is quite the challenge.

      In fact, I got $10 says that's what's up here.*

      *Any internet bets I make are entirely fictional and for entertainment purposes only.
      Demonstratably untrue? Dont use big wordS Davy that you don't understand. you couldn't find me one study that demonstrates what I have said to be untrue your either pathetically nieve or gullible.

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      • Davey Jones
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 356

        #63
        Originally posted by beatinghairloss
        Demonstratably untrue? Dont use big wordS Davy that you don't understand. you couldn't find me one study that demonstrates what I have said to be untrue your either pathetically nieve or gullible.
        And you're adorable.

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        • beatinghairloss
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 213

          #64


          The second link shows that blood flow is dramatically reduced in balding areas.....

          In a double-blind study with randomly assigned topical solutions of 0%, 1%, 3%, or 5% minoxidil, the blood flow in balding scalps of 16 human volunteers was measured by the noninvasive techniques of both laser Doppler velocimetry (LDV) and photopulse plethysmography (PPG). On two consecutive days, a …


          Minoxodil works because it increase blood flow.....

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          • 2020
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1513

            #65
            Originally posted by beatinghairloss
            http://www.hairloss-research.org/Ginkgo.html

            The second link shows that blood flow is dramatically reduced in balding areas.....

            In a double-blind study with randomly assigned topical solutions of 0%, 1%, 3%, or 5% minoxidil, the blood flow in balding scalps of 16 human volunteers was measured by the noninvasive techniques of both laser Doppler velocimetry (LDV) and photopulse plethysmography (PPG). On two consecutive days, a …


            Minoxodil works because it increase blood flow.....
            again: HAIR TRANSPLANTS work.

            also: minoxidil works by increasing the levels of prostaglandin E2 which we now know is good for hair.

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            • beatinghairloss
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 213

              #66
              Originally posted by 2020
              again: HAIR TRANSPLANTS work.

              also: minoxidil works by increasing the levels of prostaglandin E2 which we now know is good for hair.
              again....hair transplants work because it takes time for DHT to build up in the hair follicle on top of that you create a wound that allow for more blood flow (please dont carve up your heads). Not to mention that we dont know how long or how well hair transplants work nor is there good evidence they all work in fact many people if not most have less then desirable results.

              Also not even the creators of the drug minoxidil argue that their product is a vasodilator it was originally created to help blood pressure in the 80's. I don't know how you ignore these links but whatever you want to believe bro.

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              • beatinghairloss
                Senior Member
                • May 2012
                • 213

                #67
                heres the same study on published medical website.

                Our study was designed to measure the transcutaneous PO2 of the scalp to determine if there was a relative microvascular insufficiency and associated tissue hypoxia in areas of hair loss in male pattern baldness. A controlled prospective study was performed at Butterworth Hospital, Grand Rapids, Mic …

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                • 2020
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1513

                  #68
                  Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                  again....hair transplants work because it takes time for DHT to build up in the hair follicle on top of that you create a wound that allow for more blood flow (please dont carve up your heads).
                  DHT to "build up"??? This isn't cholesterol dude... are you trolling us?

                  Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                  Not to mention that we dont know how long or how well hair transplants work nor is there good evidence they all work in fact many people if not most have less then desirable results.
                  yeah we do know that they work. Plenty of people have gotten transplants in the last 20 years.... come on!


                  Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                  Also not even the creators of the drug minoxidil argue that their product is a vasodilator it was originally created to help blood pressure in the 80's. I don't know how you ignore these links but whatever you want to believe bro.
                  Minoxidil was first used exclusively as an oral drug (with the trade name 'Loniten') to treat high blood pressure. However, it was discovered to have an interesting side effect: Minoxidil may cause increased growth or darkening of fine body hairs, or in some cases, significant hair growth.
                  it was already established that minoxidil is safe to use to lower blood pressure so what they did is made a topical version of it to use as a hair growth treatment.....
                  they themselves didn't know how or why it works for growing hair but it does so they decided to market it for hair growth too.

                  btw Prostaglandin E2 IS a vasodilator....

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                  • beatinghairloss
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 213

                    #69
                    What are you arguing then. We know from the only study Measuring blood flow in balding areas that blood flow is decreased. We know men without hair loss have a SIGNIFICANT more blood flow. So then what are you really arguing. And if it controls what dilates blood vessels then how is that any different then what I said. I understand one thing for sure. In my observations people with tight scalps usually also have awkward shaped heads and those people lose their hair. I have trained my self on this soo much that we could take 1000 people shave all their heads skin bald so I could not tell who was or wasn't balding and each time I would be able to tell who is going to or already has just based on the tightness of there scalp.

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                    • 2020
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1513

                      #70
                      Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                      heres the same study on published medical website.

                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8628793
                      again - HOW DO YOU KNOW that it's not the other way around!!

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                      • 2020
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 1513

                        #71
                        Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                        what are you arguing then. We know from the only study measuring blood flow in balding areas that blood flow is decreased. We know men without hair loss have a significant more blood flow. So then what are you really arguing. And if it controls what dilates blood vessels then how is that any different then what i said. I understand one thing for sure. In my observations people with tight scalps usually also have awkward shaped heads and those people lose their hair. I have trained my self on this soo much that we could take 1000 people shave all their heads skin bald so i could not tell who was or wasn't balding and each time i would be able to tell who is going to or already has just based on the tightness of there scalp.
                        hair transplants work. Hair transplants work. Hair transplants work.

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                        • 25 going on 65
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 1476

                          #72
                          A follicle grows hair for as long as it's genetically programmed to do. We know transplanted hair can grow 40 years or more (punch grafts started in the 1950s, and eyebrow/eye lash transplants in the 1930s). Increased blood flow from wounding shouldn't last 4, 5 or 6 decades..
                          And the results depend on technology, technique, and the skill of the surgeon/technicians--there are plenty of clinics that now perform consistent quality transplants with very high yield.

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                          • beatinghairloss
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 213

                            #73
                            Again if you expect me to believe that hairs are individually predisposed genetically to balding and at the top of the head somehow have this effect on the sides and lower back of the head do not than you are downright naive. Another note to consider is that hair transplants have not been successfully around for 50 year most people have to go back for numerous treatments I don't care how good they're done they don't last forever and have not been well-established to do so you are bringing out your theories with no credible results. Show me one patient just one that has had a hair transplant last even 10 years please show me one????? This is why they prescribe propecia and minoxidil for Patients who have had successful hair transplants and don't just assume that the transplants are going to work. You as formum readers, are so set in a lot of the pseudoscience that you don't realize there has been no studies to prove what you're saying cannot even consider alternative possibilities when there is no established science on the actual causes or preventative measures for balding you are being naïve you're being fooled you're being duped.

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                            • 2020
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1513

                              #74
                              Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                              Again if you expect me to believe that hairs are individually predisposed genetically to balding and at the top of the head somehow have this effect on the sides and lower back of the head do not than you are downright naive.
                              yes... that's why transplants work

                              Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                              Another note to consider is that hair transplants have not been successfully around for 50 year most people have to go back for numerous treatments I don't care how good they're done they don't last forever and have not been well-established to do so you are bringing out your theories with no credible results. Show me one patient just one that has had a hair transplant last even 10 years please show me one?????
                              yes they have to come back every 5-10 years because their EXISTING DHT susceptible hair will continue to fall.... the donor hair that has been implanted won't fall out.

                              Are you seriously questioning the fact that SOME HAIR IS DHT RESISTANT AND SOME ARE NOT!?!?
                              Every hair loss forum has a "hair transplant" section. Check it out yourself...

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                              • beatinghairloss
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2012
                                • 213

                                #75
                                Forget everything you think you know about hair loss. If I told you that a tight scalp gets worse as you get older that it gets tight enough to render blood flow stationary would you think hair in that area would keep growing? If so plEase provide the readers an explanation to this phenomenon because if these dermal cells can grow and maintain life without blood then we have found a miracle of life seen no where else. Also if there is someone who has had a hair transplant 20 years ago and none of the transplanted hairs have stop growing please reveal your self.......

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