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  • 2020
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1513

    #76
    Originally posted by beatinghairloss
    Forget everything you think you know about hair loss. If I told you that a tight scalp gets worse as you get older that it gets tight enough to render blood flow stationary would you think hair in that area would keep growing?
    ^ BUT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING!!!! Castrates don't go bald. Why don't the scalp of castrates and those on DHT blockers don't go bald??


    Originally posted by beatinghairloss
    Also if there is someone who has had a hair transplant 20 years ago and none of the transplanted hairs have stop growing please reveal your self.......
    god damnit it's late at night but I would find it.

    If I find you that person, would you then admit that your theory is false??

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    • beatinghairloss
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 213

      #77
      Castrates don't go bald because DHT is produced through via sperm going through the prostate and if you don't have testicles and there's no sperm passing to the prostate no DHT and since DHT only causes baldness in a tight scalp then if you take one or the other out you won't experience balding. And yes showing me prrson one would at least make you sound less naive for even suggesting the idea however in the name of science I would demand much more than one to consider something scientifically proven.

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      • Davey Jones
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 356

        #78
        2020, why are you participating in this nonsense? All your evidence doesn't count and all his evidence doesn't exist. It's a no win situation, man. Pretty sure the guy's a transexual anyway.

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        • greatjob!
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 909

          #79
          I wasn't going to get involved but this shit is ridiculous

          Originally posted by beatinghairloss
          so you are bringing out your theories with no credible results
          Originally posted by beatinghairloss
          are so set in a lot of the pseudoscience
          Really you want to go there? Everything you say is bullshit theories and pseudoscience.


          Originally posted by beatinghairloss
          Castrates don't go bald because DHT is produced through via sperm going through the prostate and if you don't have testicles and there's no sperm passing to the prostate no DHT
          Really?? DHT is produced by sperm going through the prostate? You are obviously a moron who has no clue what you're talking about.

          DHT is produced in the prostate, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal gland when testosterone is reduced by the enzyme 5a-reductase. It does this by breaking the 4,5 pi bond in testosterone reducing it to DHT. Sperm passing through the prostate has nothing to do with it.

          Like 2020 said hair transplant patients take fin to protect their native hair from falling out they don't take it to protect the transplanted hair.

          Your argument for scalp tightness is laughable. I started balding when I was very young around 15. I have always had a loose scalp and at 29 my scalp is just as loose now as it was when I was young. I can voluntarily move the skin on my head along with my ears back and forth a good couple of inches without my hands.

          The main factor that determines how many grafts you can receive from a transplant is your scalp laxity, meaning there are tons of bald men with loose scalps.

          here is an example: http://youtu.be/pyz2s_CtRf4

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          • 25 going on 65
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 1476

            #80
            Any time you see a transplant that looks "pluggy" it is at least 15 years old, usually older. There are plenty of people walking around with transplants from the 60s-80s. One guy posting on the Intro section of this forum yesterday has grafts from the 1970s.
            Transplants grow and they keep growing--we knew this decades ago. The grafts start miniaturizing when the donor region does, because that's what follicles from that area of the scalp are genetically programmed to do. (In general, this donor thinning won't occur in significant amounts until old age.. if ever.)

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            • beatinghairloss
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 213

              #81
              Originally posted by 25 going on 65
              Any time you see a transplant that looks "pluggy" it is at least 15 years old, usually older. There are plenty of people walking around with transplants from the 60s-80s. One guy posting on the Intro section of this forum yesterday has grafts from the 1970s.
              Transplants grow and they keep growing--we knew this decades ago. The grafts start miniaturizing when the donor region does, because that's what follicles from that area of the scalp are genetically programmed to do. (In general, this donor thinning won't occur in significant amounts until old age.. if ever.)
              Ok all things considered this could easily be explained. If a large donor site is relocated imagine what your doing to the tightness of the scalp you would be changing it atleast in one case. Either way I still have heard nobody show or tell me of one person they can provide proof that had had a transplant last even 20 years. Prove me wrong

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              • beatinghairloss
                Senior Member
                • May 2012
                • 213

                #82
                Originally posted by greatjob!
                I wasn't going to get involved but this shit is ridiculous





                Really you want to go there? Everything you say is bullshit theories and pseudoscience.




                Really?? DHT is produced by sperm going through the prostate? You are obviously a moron who has no clue what you're talking about.

                DHT is produced in the prostate, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal gland when testosterone is reduced by the enzyme 5a-reductase. It does this by breaking the 4,5 pi bond in testosterone reducing it to DHT. Sperm passing through the prostate has nothing to do with it.

                Like 2020 said hair transplant patients take fin to protect their native hair from falling out they don't take it to protect the transplanted hair.

                Your argument for scalp tightness is laughable. I started balding when I was very young around 15. I have always had a loose scalp and at 29 my scalp is just as loose now as it was when I was young. I can voluntarily move the skin on my head along with my ears back and forth a good couple of inches without my hands.

                The main factor that determines how many grafts you can receive from a transplant is your scalp laxity, meaning there are tons of bald men with loose scalps.

                here is an example: http://youtu.be/pyz2s_CtRf4


                Again being stuck on forums has ruined you sense of Leaurning and due scientific process. It's common knowledge in the field of male reproduction that DHT is metabolized via the 5-alpha reductase from testosterone as it is secreted during the addition to sperm for ejaculation you need to read more and make better connections. No educated urologist would argue DHT is primarily made in the prostate or that castrating a man would render the prostate inable to make DHT from T being that there is no more T. Read something and don't get so upset I think the DHT is clogging more then your follicles. Btw I stopped my hair loss 3 years ago and mostly reversed it. Hair looks great and I feel great and I'm trying to share that with you close minded people is kinda rediculous.

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                • 2020
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1513

                  #83
                  Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                  Either way I still have heard nobody show or tell me of one person they can provide proof that had had a transplant last even 20 years. Prove me wrong
                  If I showed you those people, would you then consider your theory false? yes or no?

                  Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                  Read something and don't get so upset I think the DHT is clogging more then your follicles.
                  DHT is CLOGGING follicles?!?! Are you insane?? DHT is a HORMONE and not some material like cholesterol... hormones can't "clog" anything wow you're just crazy


                  Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                  Btw I stopped my hair loss 3 years ago and mostly reversed it. Hair looks great and I feel great and I'm trying to share that with you close minded people is kinda rediculous.
                  you should publish a patent on that and make millions.... wait, why would you tell us your secrets to reversing hair loss for $4.95?

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                  • greatjob!
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 909

                    #84
                    Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2055645/

                    Again being stuck on forums has ruined you sense of Leaurning and due scientific process. It's common knowledge in the field of male reproduction that DHT is metabolized via the 5-alpha reductase from testosterone as it is secreted during the addition to sperm for ejaculation you need to read more and make better connections. No educated urologist would argue DHT is primarily made in the prostate or that castrating a man would render the prostate inable to make DHT from T being that there is no more T. Read something and don't get so upset I think the DHT is clogging more then your follicles. Btw I stopped my hair loss 3 years ago and mostly reversed it. Hair looks great and I feel great and I'm trying to share that with you close minded people is kinda rediculous.
                    HAHAHAHA! If you want to have a conversation about the knowledge you have been "Leaurning", I am more than willing. Once again you are wrong and sound stupid. The link you just posted proves that what you are saying is mis informed. DHT and testoterone are not secreted during the addition to sperm. If what you are saying is true then testosterone and DHT are added to sperm and would leave the body during ejaculation.

                    You also seemed to ignore my post addressing your crack-pot theory about scalp tightness. I can post more videos of bald men with extremely loose scalps.

                    Do yourself and the world a favor and stop reading journal abstracts inorder to make ridiculous half baked assumtions.

                    You have said that it is obvious that we don't want your help and we're all stupid, bla bla bla.. So since we don't care what you have to say why don't you leave and never come back?

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                    • beatinghairloss
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 213

                      #85
                      Originally posted by greatjob!
                      HAHAHAHA! If you want to have a conversation about the knowledge you have been "Leaurning", I am more than willing. Once again you are wrong and sound stupid. The link you just posted proves that what you are saying is mis informed. DHT and testoterone are not secreted during the addition to sperm. If what you are saying is true then testosterone and DHT are added to sperm and would leave the body during ejaculation.

                      You also seemed to ignore my post addressing your crack-pot theory about scalp tightness. I can post more videos of bald men with extremely loose scalps.

                      Do yourself and the world a favor and stop reading journal abstracts inorder to make ridiculous half baked assumtions.

                      You have said that it is obvious that we don't want your help and we're all stupid, bla bla bla.. So since we don't care what you have to say why don't you leave and never come back?
                      Hey moron I never said DHT or T leave the body that would be absurd while adding fluid to sperm DHT is converted from T I didn't say it went into your sperm it's a by product...show me these loose scalps or are you blowing smoke come on baldy show me your evidence.

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                      • 25 going on 65
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 1476

                        #86
                        Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                        Ok all things considered this could easily be explained. If a large donor site is relocated imagine what your doing to the tightness of the scalp you would be changing it atleast in one case.
                        All you're doing as far as changing scalp tightness is introducing scar tissue, which if anything might decrease scalp laxity. And if this was why grafts grow, the native hairs around the scar tissue would also stop miniaturizing, which they don't. If this was why grafts grow, we could simply beat baldness by wounding our heads, which we can't.
                        Anyway, scalp laxity varies in men whether or not they are balding; like others here have said, some bald guys have loose scalps, while some hairy guys have tight scalps. And there are scalp exercises that can create significant changes in scalp laxity over time (often performed by patients with upcoming transplants in order to maximize donor yield), yet DHT-sensitive follicles continue miniaturizing at the exact same rate.

                        Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                        Either way I still have heard nobody show or tell me of one person they can provide proof that had had a transplant last even 20 years. Prove me wrong
                        Check out my last post in this thread. Have you ever seen a punch graft ("pluggy") transplant in the last few years? Most of those are more than 20 years old. Look at the repair cases on current clinics' websites, or on this forum where they are showcased. Many of them are at least 20 years old.
                        Check the Intro section of this forum for the guy I mentioned. His grafts are from the 70s.
                        One of the biggest long-term cosmetic problems of the old punch graft transplants is that they continue to grow even as native hair falls out. Some men get to a point where, depending on recipient scarring, they would actually look better if the grafts stopped growing--but they don't stop growing.
                        Some men actually pay to have those punch grafts removed and redistributed, decades after the original procedure.
                        There is no question that transplants grow long-term. This is not a mystery. Hair transplants have been around for generations.

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                        • 2020
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1513

                          #87
                          beatinghairloss you're a ****ing idiot and not only that, you're ruining the real discussions by spreading some bullshit theories.


                          btw, here you go: a patient who had a hair transplant in the 80's:


                          his transplanted hair DID NOT FALL OUT IN 30 YEARS! If circulation was the problem, why didn't that hair fall out!?!?

                          HAIR TRANSPLANTS WORK. CIRCULATION IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!

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                          • beatinghairloss
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 213

                            #88
                            Originally posted by 2020
                            beatinghairloss you're a ****ing idiot and not only that, you're ruining the real discussions by spreading some bullshit theories.


                            btw, here you go: a patient who had a hair transplant in the 80's:


                            his transplanted hair DID NOT FALL OUT IN 30 YEARS! If circulation was the problem, why didn't that hair fall out!?!?

                            HAIR TRANSPLANTS WORK. CIRCULATION IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!

                            Wow??? Really look at the scalp do you think those plugs follow his original hair line or did they ironically put them in way north of his originaly hair line. You prove my theory by showing a man who had transplants in an area not experiencing the tightness I talk about....Again show me someone who has had the line restored to the areas that experiences the most tightness because your example is far away from that.

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                            • beatinghairloss
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 213

                              #89
                              btw thanks for finding that anyways I appreciate it.

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                              • 2020
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 1513

                                #90
                                Originally posted by beatinghairloss
                                Wow??? Really look at the scalp do you think those plugs follow his original hair line or did they ironically put them in way north of his originaly hair line. You prove my theory by showing a man who had transplants in an area not experiencing the tightness I talk about....Again show me someone who has had the line restored to the areas that experiences the most tightness because your example is far away from that.
                                if that area WAS NOT EXPERIENCING THE TIGHTNESS YOU TALK ABOUT, THEN WHY DID HIS NATIVE HAIR FALL OUT??

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