You say Propecia messed you up but it may have been something else. You cannot be sure of that it did mess your up nor that it didn't. It could have been hypochondria, a fairly common mental illness.
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Sides happen in over 5% of users...whats hard to believe about some online experiencing them?Comment
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They seem to occur in more like 1-2% of users. So no, it would not be rare to find someone online with side effects, but still, the side effects are rare.
It would not be rare to find someone online with an allergy to Aspirin, but still, allergy to Aspirin is rare.Comment
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comparing aspirin to propecia is ridiculous...common dawgComment
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I think it's safe to say there is a link between my use of propecia and the side effects experienced, I was perfectly normal sexually active man before I ingested this bullshit.Comment
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Finasteride is a perfect example of why Milton Friedman was right about how useless and pointless the FDA is, I should have used my own judgement/research, but I was convinced by the money grabbing socialists in the FDA.Comment
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minoxidil works very well on its own i believe for 50% of men. the research studies also seem to show that it is effective for the long term. some men report halting their hair loss for over a decade on it.
of course, you must be very disciplined in your use of minoxidil. 2x a day, every day, for the rest of your life. even if it is greasy and a pain in the behind.
the shedding thing is rare. those who have it are the ones who yell loudly on the internet, so it seems like a whole lot of people have this effect. but it is actually very rare.
its like working...at the returns desk at a target. over time, working there, you would probably start getting a very bad opinion about probably all the products at target. because all you are dealing with all day is with people who have had problem with target products. it skews you perception of things.
in actuality, very few people have problems with target products.
it is the same thing with side effects with propecia and rogaine. side effects for propecia occur in about 1.3% of men. And with half of those men, the side effects go away after 6 months with continued use of the product. that means the long term side effect rate is like .07, under 1%.
Some people are extremely risk averse and that is ok, that is your choice. For those people, who do not want to take an under 1% risk to get an 86% chance of keeping your hair for at least 10 years...for those people, your only choice is minoxidil.
And I think minoxidil works pretty well on its own, but you have to be very good about using it. No whining about it and skipping days and all that nonsense.
As Yoda said, "Do or do not. There is no try."
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It is possible that the decline in your sex drive was a function of the normal aging process. You are not meant to be a crazy hornball in your 30s, or even your late 20s, as you were in your teens and early 20s. You may be confounding these two factors. Remember, correlation does not mean causation.
I could also say Propecia causes wrinkles, or gray hair.
"And I HIGHLY doubt only 1 or 2 out of everyone 100 men get sides. Anyone with common sense knows these statistics are skewed and inaccurate."
Well...you can highly doubt that. You can highly doubt whatever you want, but that doesn't change the research findings replicated in study after study.
"Anyone with common sense knows these statistics are skewed and inaccurate."
I like that. I like how you just say that. You could also just say:
"Anyone with common sense knows these statistics are true and accurate."
Just because you say something assertively, with an air of righteousness and self confidence, doesn't make that statement into reality. I could just as well say "Anyone with common sense knows that dogs can fly in the sky" doesn't make it so.
"DHT is the king of male androgens."
That's a cool statement. I didn't know that androgens were members on any royal lineage.
You then go on to make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims about how horrible the side effects are because this one said something or that one aid something, web postings, anecdotal evidence etc.
Well, you are using that data to make a judgement. That is bad data, assessed improperly, resulting in a bad judgement.
The data from peer reviewed clinical research is better data. The research design of these studies is better than the research design involved in searching around google and just pulling random stuff up and assigning it as truth, as fact.
NEITHER one of these ways of assessing information is perfect, neither the clinical research studies NOR jumping around on google. Each has its weaknesses.
However, the research approach of just jumping around on google and coming to conclusions is FAR WEAKER and FAR WORSE than the approach taken by the peer reviewed research studies published in medical journals.
All I am saying is that one approach is better than the other.
In the end, we will have to pick one approach over the other and live by it.Comment
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One more thing I would like to note...
If propecia indeed has a side effects rate of 1 or 2%, this would mean that in a sense, side effects are not all that rare.
A 2% side effects rate, which is a reasonable estimate even for us who who are not part of the propecia paranoid posse, would mean that about 1 in 50 men who take propecia get side effects.
1 in 50. About 1 per set of people of about the size of a large classroom.
So I am not saying that the side effects do not exist. The studies say about 1 in 50 to 1 in 100.
But it is not worse than that either. And you have to make a decision as to what risk you are willing to take to keep your hair.
It is your decision based on your level of risk aversion.Comment
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1-2% realistically is more like 4-6% based on other independent studies.
PFS can happen. Over half the people it happened to had an underlying physical or emotional condition, but there were some men who were perfectly normal/healthy and had their endocrine system severly messed up by it and now need hormone therapy.
again very small chance of serious life altering side effectsComment
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Well, that is possible, but those cases have not been scientifically documented and "proven," at least to the greatest extent possible by modern science.
But we have to realize that all drugs, and heck, even foods, have rare and sometimes potentially devastating side effects.
Seems everyone is allergic to gluten right now. Actually, I think most of those cases are baloney, people who are trying to be all special and cool by being gluten free.
But there are legitimate cases of celiac disease, sensitivity to gluten.
The same can be said of common things like peanuts, aspirin, or even water.
Upon learning she was allergic to water, one of the most common substances on earth, Dutton was shocked, but perhaps she should not have been. While water allergies are extremely rare, almost anything from heat to a dust mote to the nickel in a mobile phone can trigger an allergic reaction. In order to make the job easier for fellow allergy investigators, doctors will publish accounts of rare allergic reactions in medical journals and share their findings at medical conferences and on the Internet. We've collected 11 of the most unusual allergy stories here.
Some people will have these reactions.
And Propecia is nothing compared to these drugs. I have never heard of anyone dying from using Propecia, but I have heard of people dying from reactions to peanuts and aspirin.
But these cases are very rare.
I guess, in the end, it is up to the individual whether he wants to take a small risk to have an 86% chance of keeping one's hair for 10 years, and perhaps even regrowing some.
It is ok to be extremely risk averse. Some people will not fly on airplanes because they are extremely risk averse.Comment
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im not feelin the false equivalencies bro...you reachin'
propecia essesntially changes your hormonal profile...it isn't as simple as a 'reaction' to something
i agree it is a pretty damn safe drug based on all the evidence out there...i take it, and i wish i didn't have to! very sad this is the best we got...
20 yrs ago i would have been appreciative that we at least have something to help...but at this point, brutal!Comment
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It is possible that the decline in your sex drive was a function of the normal aging process. You are not meant to be a crazy hornball in your 30s, or even your late 20s, as you were in your teens and early 20s. You may be confounding these two factors. Remember, correlation does not mean causation.
"Anyone with common sense knows these statistics are true and accurate."
Just because you say something assertively, with an air of righteousness and self confidence, doesn't make that statement into reality. I could just as well say "Anyone with common sense knows that dogs can fly in the sky" doesn't make it so.
You then go on to make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims about how horrible the side effects are because this one said something or that one aid something, web postings, anecdotal evidence etc.
Well, you are using that data to make a judgement. That is bad data, assessed improperly, resulting in a bad judgement.
The data from peer reviewed clinical research is better data. The research design of these studies is better than the research design involved in searching around google and just pulling random stuff up and assigning it as truth, as fact.
NEITHER one of these ways of assessing information is perfect, neither the clinical research studies NOR jumping around on google. Each has its weaknesses.
However, the research approach of just jumping around on google and coming to conclusions is FAR WEAKER and FAR WORSE than the approach taken by the peer reviewed research studies published in medical journals.
And just to throw this out there, it's much easier to relate to a person's experience/story and to interpret it as such than to read a medical journal study...Comment
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