Hairloss regime without fin

[25 going on 65]

This again

Yes a tiny % of men have a horrible reaction to fin. Just like w/ many drugs both rx or otc. For the rest this drug is nothing. It is not messing with your body 1/4 as much as the sh*t you put in your mouth every day that you call "food". It is not messing w/ your body 1/4 as much as your f*cked up sleep schedule, staying up until midnight in front of screens. It is not messing w/ your body 1/4 as much as sitting down 8 hours every day, wreaking havoc on your muscles & bones. It is not messing with your body 1/4 as much as the 5 f*cking drinks you decided to have last Friday after work

Amazing what the average American (applies to other rich countries too I am sure) will put his body through EVERY DAY but then will cringe about something like finasteride, which is more mild than half the sh*t you can buy off store shelves at your local Walgreens

For the guys who actually had bad reactions to this drug (ie did not just freak themselves out by reading propeciahelp when they were high one night). I respect that. They did not come out winners but had the sense to know when odds were in their favor. They did exactly the right thing because even though there might be a 5% chance of sides or a .1% chance of persistent sides (I have no idea what the #'s are anymore & I could not care less), they knew baldness would mean a 100% chance of a massive life downgrade.

I srsly feel sorry for the random 20 yo NW2 who reads some of the posts on here & screws himself forever by being scared off of oral DHT inhibs. Bottom line, if you want good hair & have andro alopecia, YOU CAN TAKE FINASTERIDE OR YOU CAN TAKE DUTASTERIDE on top of W/E ELSE you are experimenting with. That is the requirement. If you can not or will not do this, you need to deal w/ being "a balding guy" in the eyes of other people. You simply will not have good hair

This is not aimed at any poster in this thread (I mean that). This is meant for the many lurkers who are trying to decide to take fin/dut or not.

Listen to me lurker. Yes you. There are 20 other people reading this thread with you & if all of you take fin/dut, 1 of you might get sides.
However if none of you take fin/dut, all of you are screwed.

[cichlidfort]

BTW Cichlidfort

"Except that everyone knows dogs cannot fly in the sky so terrible, terrible comparison. It is WELL-known that Fin potentially can give it's users HORRIBLE sides."

The problem with that statement is that is is not WELL-known the Fin potentially can give it's users HORRIBLE sides. By just saying something and putting words in capital letters, things don't suddenly become proven and true.

It is WELL -known that DOGS can FLY

See, I did it too. It doesn't mean that dogs can fly.

Let me do it again.

It is WELL -know that the MMR vaccine causes AUTISM.

See, still not not true! Even though I say it like that and use those capital letters.

Come on man, what are you doing? Anyone that's involved in the hairloss community knows damn well what Fin/propecia is. Hell, even before I had hairloss I was aware of propecia and it's side effects and how potentially damaging it can be. I'm using caps letters because I'm putting emphasis on the point I am trying to make. Some of the sides you can get are defined as HORRIBLE. Would you not define ED, impotence, brain fog, depression and loss of libido horrible? Certainly they are not defined as mild or ideal. The problem with your example about dogs and them being able to fly is that it is a FACT that dogs cannot fly no matter how you phrase or disguise your word. However, in my case, there is a plethora of real life examples that backs up my claim that fin can give people HORRIBLE sides. Just scroll up and read what some of the members on here had to say about fin. For some people, fin works wonders and that is also accurate. It affects everyone differently on a physiological level. Just acknowledge that the drug can be horrible with the sides...


Edit:25 going on 65, you're absolutely right. If you're balding, I would say try fin. If you get sides, reduce the dosage/frequency or just stop!

[PatientlyWaiting]

This again

Yes a tiny % of men have a horrible reaction to fin. Just like w/ many drugs both rx or otc. For the rest this drug is nothing. It is not messing with your body 1/4 as much as the sh*t you put in your mouth every day that you call "food". It is not messing w/ your body 1/4 as much as your f*cked up sleep schedule, staying up until midnight in front of screens. It is not messing w/ your body 1/4 as much as sitting down 8 hours every day, wreaking havoc on your muscles & bones. It is not messing with your body 1/4 as much as the 5 f*cking drinks you decided to have last Friday after work

Amazing what the average American (applies to other rich countries too I am sure) will put his body through EVERY DAY but then will cringe about something like finasteride, which is more mild than half the sh*t you can buy off store shelves at your local Walgreens

For the guys who actually had bad reactions to this drug (ie did not just freak themselves out by reading propeciahelp when they were high one night). I respect that. They did not come out winners but had the sense to know when odds were in their favor. They did exactly the right thing because even though there might be a 5% chance of sides or a .1% chance of persistent sides (I have no idea what the #'s are anymore & I could not care less), they knew baldness would mean a 100% chance of a massive life downgrade.

I srsly feel sorry for the random 20 yo NW2 who reads some of the posts on here & screws himself forever by being scared off of oral DHT inhibs. Bottom line, if you want good hair & have andro alopecia, YOU CAN TAKE FINASTERIDE OR YOU CAN TAKE DUTASTERIDE on top of W/E ELSE you are experimenting with. That is the requirement. If you can not or will not do this, you need to deal w/ being "a balding guy" in the eyes of other people. You simply will not have good hair

This is not aimed at any poster in this thread (I mean that). This is meant for the many lurkers who are trying to decide to take fin/dut or not.

Listen to me lurker. Yes you. There are 20 other people reading this thread with you & if all of you take fin/dut, 1 of you might get sides.
However if none of you take fin/dut, all of you are screwed.

That was great.

[Notcoolanymore]

25 going on 65 with another solid post.

[SolarPowered Man]

SolarPowered Man, that is not an answer at all. You merely pointed me to a wikipedia article that has 150 references to it. That doesn't do anything.

I could have just as well said "Please read and check the footnotes from wiki to realize (not realise) why this is such a "wonderful example."

That's not an answer. That's just...well, that's just there.

In fact, upon reading the article, it seems to show why it may be a good example.

Much of the hysteria regarding the MMR vaccine controversy revolves around:

"the 1998 publication of a fraudulent research paper in the medical journal The Lancet that lent support to the subsequently discredited theory that colitis and autism spectrum disorders could be caused by the combined measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.[1] The media has been heavily criticized for its naive reporting and for lending undue credibility to the architect of the fraud, Andrew theWakefield."

You could replace the words "The Lancet" with "Journal of Sexual Medicine", the phrase "colitis and autism spectrum disorders" with "post-finasteride syndrome" and the name "Andrew Wakefield" with "Dr. Michael Irwig" and see that a similar dynamic may be in play.

Yes indeed, the quote is true

The 1998 publication from the Lancet was discredited and the media was criticised for its naive reporting on the matter. Now we can all move forward knowing the MMR is safe.

[KUP]

I just got back from a doctor’s appointment, where I asked her about Fin.
She told me that by far the majority of the people she and the other doctors at her clinic had given Fin, experienced some sort of side effects associated with the pill, mainly a decrease in erectile functions.

I then asked about taking a smaller dose. She told me that if you were experiencing sides and then reduced the dose to a point where the sides went away, then it would most likely also mean that the (possible) positive effect on your hair would be lost as well.

So her real experienced with people on the drug was no way near the 1 – 2 % and although she confirmed that the sides should disappear if halting the intake, she was still skeptical towards that always being the case.

I’m considering RU58841, after having read that the sides are far less vigorous. What are your guys take on this?