Blood test (DHT) with finasteride every other day.

[JulioGP]

Now see that interesting.

Several users of this forum: youngin, optimisticyouth and UK_ insisted that Fina not lower the Plasma DHT and that my tests were wrong, because the DHT level would not have reduced this way, through by blood tests.

I do not even need to answer that talked a lot of nonsense.

[goldbondmafia]

Depends. Some people using dutasteride can reduce DHT for 100pg/ml or less. I believe that a reasonable level to keep DHT is somewhere around 400 pg / ml.

In my opinion, your DHT could be lower, between 400 and 500 pg/ml

I see. So will fin continue to lower my DHT levels say 6 months from now when I do another test? Or has fin gotten my dht as low as it can and now it will keep it at what I have now?

[JulioGP]

Yup



Thank you so much for converting it really appreciate it. But yes im using generic fin 1mg a day. I started with 0.5 for the first few days then went up to 1mg.

My doctor told me that my dht level was in the normal range but that may differ to what we consider a normal range in terms of hair loss. Do you know what it should be around to be considered low?

Depends. Some people using dutasteride can reduce DHT for 100pg/ml or less. I believe that a reasonable level to keep DHT is somewhere around 400 pg / ml.

In my opinion, your DHT could be lower, between 400 and 500 pg/ml

[Assemblage23]

I believe Spencer takes it every other day. He is pretty aware of what he's doing.

[goldbondmafia]

Are you using 1mg every day?

Yup

Easy:

4128 pmol/l = 1124.4 pg/ml = 112,44 ng/dl
2932 pmol/l = 798.6 pg/ml = 79,86 ng/dl

Reduced by 29%.

Your DHT is still high. What is the dosage that you are using. It is daily?

The mine is about 900 pg/ml. Realized yesterday a new blood test with the dosage of 0.5 mg daily.

Thank you so much for converting it really appreciate it. But yes im using generic fin 1mg a day. I started with 0.5 for the first few days then went up to 1mg.

My doctor told me that my dht level was in the normal range but that may differ to what we consider a normal range in terms of hair loss. Do you know what it should be around to be considered low?

[JulioGP]

Easy:

4128 pmol/l = 1124.4 pg/ml = 112,44 ng/dl
2932 pmol/l = 798.6 pg/ml = 79,86 ng/dl

Reduced by 29%.

Your DHT is still high. What is the dosage that you are using. It is daily?

The mine is about 900 pg/ml. Realized yesterday a new blood test with the dosage of 0.5 mg daily.

[JulioGP]

just got mine back I took the dht test 6 weeks after already starting fin. My result is

2932 pmol/l

WTF is that on the ng/dl scale? I am trying to find a converter. In December of 2011 my levels were 4128 pmol/l so it is significantly lower in my opinion

Are you using 1mg every day?

[goldbondmafia]

just got mine back I took the dht test 6 weeks after already starting fin. My result is

2932 pmol/l

WTF is that on the ng/dl scale? I am trying to find a converter. In December of 2011 my levels were 4128 pmol/l so it is significantly lower in my opinion

[UK_]

Your results don't make a whole lot of sense though. Finadteride doesn't attack dht directly, as you know, its the 5ar that is destroyed. Once a 5ar molecule is attacked, its done. It won't produce anymore dht. It then takes the body several days to synthesize new 5ar. That's why the half life of finasteride in the bloodstream doesn't really matter.

Perhaps you should have given this trial more time?

Not all 5ar is destroyed, DHT does not go to 0% serum concentration, 30 - 40% still remains, which is enough to slow down hair loss.

[ajays]

Can't believe these results either. Julio has been a great poster and dedicated lot of time,money and effort but I think his blood tests are just messed up, maybe it's the elisa method that his lab uses or the lab just messed up overall. Cant believe that fin is not lowering his DHT.

[optimisticyouth]

Exactly optimisticyouth.

The half-life of finasteride does not matter if it actually prevented the conversion to DHT was made even after finasteride was no longer present in the blood.

Finasteride attacks 5AR preventing testosterone from being converted into DHT. What was shown in this study is that when using a single dose of Finasteride was the reduction of DHT for several days. There was no need to do a "loading" of finasteride, according to the study.

I was using finasteride every other day for 20 days did not think it would need more time to observe any changes, since this study shows that the internet DHT decreased with only one dose.

If we analyze some comments unintelligent as the user "youngin", even though my baseline was wrong, my DHT was above 900pg/ml should have decreased, ie, IF my baseline was wrong it would not be relevant and should have been reduced DHT anyway.

That's what makes me question your results. I understand if propecia had no effect (perhaps you're a non-responder, or 20 days isn't enough time, idk) but for it to increase your dht seems illogical, to say the least.

[youngin]

If we analyze some comments unintelligent as the user "youngin", even though my baseline was wrong, my DHT was above 900pg/ml should have decreased, ie, IF my baseline was wrong it would not be relevant and should have been reduced DHT anyway.

Oh yes lets analyze your messed up results. Baseline is obviously wrong. So compare the others. 26 days on Keratene = 965. 20 days on Fin = 942. OH LOOK, Keratene suppressed almost as much DHT as Fin, because Fin DOES WORK. Now go back to the thread on Keratene and admit to everyone it works. K THANKS. Or throw all of your results out because obviously they are WRONG.

[JulioGP]

Your results don't make a whole lot of sense though. Finadteride doesn't attack dht directly, as you know, its the 5ar that is destroyed. Once a 5ar molecule is attacked, its done. It won't produce anymore dht. It then takes the body several days to synthesize new 5ar. That's why the half life of finasteride in the bloodstream doesn't really matter.

Perhaps you should have given this trial more time?

Exactly optimisticyouth.

The half-life of finasteride does not matter if it actually prevented the conversion to DHT was made even after finasteride was no longer present in the blood.

Finasteride attacks 5AR preventing testosterone from being converted into DHT. What was shown in this study is that when using a single dose of Finasteride was the reduction of DHT for several days. There was no need to do a "loading" of finasteride, according to the study.

I was using finasteride every other day for 20 days did not think it would need more time to observe any changes, since this study shows that the internet DHT decreased with only one dose.

If we analyze some comments unintelligent as the user "youngin", even though my baseline was wrong, my DHT was above 900pg/ml should have decreased, ie, IF my baseline was wrong it would not be relevant and should have been reduced DHT anyway.

[optimisticyouth]

fortunately my intention was never to want to convince someone not gain anything from it. I'm just sharing this information for those who are interested and do not want to get attached to any study of the internet. You are wrong, sorry.

Your results don't make a whole lot of sense though. Finadteride doesn't attack dht directly, as you know, its the 5ar that is destroyed. Once a 5ar molecule is attacked, its done. It won't produce anymore dht. It then takes the body several days to synthesize new 5ar. That's why the half life of finasteride in the bloodstream doesn't really matter.

Perhaps you should have given this trial more time?

[JulioGP]

WHY do you keep posting your obviously messed up tests. YOUR BASELINE IS WRONG. JUST LOOK. QUIT DOING TESTS AND TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE.

fortunately my intention was never to want to convince someone not gain anything from it. I'm just sharing this information for those who are interested and do not want to get attached to any study of the internet. You are wrong, sorry.