Blood test (DHT) with finasteride every other day.

[JulioGP]

yan,

I read a few articles like this too, but not why they are correct.

Anyway, the result came out of my blood test with DHT and it was as I expected. The use of 0.5 mg daily actually started to reduce my DHT, but the use of 1mg every other day, did not work.



After Saw Palmetto cause problems with my baseline, there was a 15% reduction of previous measurement when I was using 1mg every other day and had not had any reduction in DHT.

It is clear that undergoes reduction in DHT blood test with the use of 0.5 mg daily, unlike the use of 1 mg every other day. I'll still need to keep a few more days with such use in order to accomplish my baseline that was corrupted by Saw Palmetto, something that was thought to reduce the DHT which proved to me that is totally myth.

[yan]

Quote from Dr. Peter Proctor M.D.,PhD, (author of many hair loss treatment patents)

“First, the does response curve for finasteride is almost flat. That is, a little works about as well as a lot. Similarly, while the blood half life of finasteride is only a few hours, it forms an almost unbreakable complex with the target enzyme. Thus, restoration of enzymatic activity requires the synthesis of additional type-2 5-AR. This requires three days or so, at least. In the days before finasteride was released as the 1 mg form, Propecia, docs used to prescribe one 5 mg Proscar every three days or so This seemed to work just fine”.

How expensive is it to check its DHT levels in europe? Does anyone know?

[yan]

Julio, fact is, I know several persons who took EOD or even 2-3 times a week 1mg, and they all maintained and even thickened their hairs for years. My neighbor takes fin since 12 years 3 times a week. His brother is bald, he got a full head of hair, although he started losing his hair fast around 28.

Anyway, would be good if others could also do blood tests.

[JulioGP]

Look Dan26,

Unfortunately a lot of nonsense is published on the internet. Many studies over many things are constantly being published, but few of them are measured by someone.

There is only one single chart that is on the internet showing how to behave DHT with these dosages of Finasteride (this chart is on page 1).

Here in Brazil, it is very common for people to have private health insurance plans, this makes it very easy to do any tests, even very expensive because they are paid by the health plan. This is one of the main problems I see, most people outside of Brazil does not perform blood tests and did not know if the medicine is working as independent studies show these.

Let's agree that these studies do not have reliable sources, just as many others are published and mostly do not know for sure by whom they were conducted. People read, do it for months without even knowing if it works or not, because there is no way of knowing if there exams.

In the case of Spencer, I'm not saying it does not work, but the DHT will not stay down for several days as it is believed. My question would be: The Spencer held a blood test to make sure it's working?

What you said does not happen "because of 5ar2 taking days to return to Normal Therefore DHT production taking days to return to normal." As soon as the system went Finasteride DHT levels return to normal, ie, it takes no more than 24 hours (the half-life is 6-8 hours).

If the Finasteride were a acting medicine slow, this could happen. But this whole process that involves 5AR is not "time release".

If he is taking 5mg 1 time per week, the DHT it remains low for only one day and the other six days the DHT it is already in the previous level. If the idea is that, then great. If the idea is to believe that using this way will keep DHT low for several days, it is to fool yourself.

[Dan26]

Sure.

It is known that the half-life of the drug is a few hours, for 6 to 8 hours. Some studies say that DHT could be suppressed for several days, but this is legend. Hormones such as insulin, testosterone and even DHT (which is much more potent than testosterone itself) has varied very dynamic and undergo rapid changes depending on what medication.

If you take the medicine and performs blood test shortly after that for sure will give you the difference if you take medicine today and do the blood test only the next day.

Wrong who think that taking this medication and knowing that in 12 hours there is absolutely nothing more in bloodstream, your DHT will remain low for several days. That I could easily observe performing blood test.

Also, you understand that half life just means that HALF of the drug has left you system after 6-8 hrs... then after another 6-8 hrs half of that remaining amount leaves your system and so on etc..

So still, the fact you took 0.5mg daily and 1mg EOD and there was a big difference in DHT reduction, is odd to say the least.

I participate in a forum to debate baldness in Brazil with over 7,000 users. Nobody does this kind of use (every other day), because no DHT test proves effective in this way, however, with this you cause large swings of DHT in your body because every time it is reduced when you take Finasteride in the days that you do not take Finasteride is a rebound effect.

Anyway, many here advocate this method of use. I'm not here to waste my time trying to prove something to someone, I'm just sharing my information.

Don't you find it odd though Julio, that some studies show otherwise? And guys like spencer only take it once a week (albeit 5mg)...

The reason I take it daily is because there are no studies that show haircount that are not using daily doses. I do believe you could be successful with taking breaks in between because of 5ar2 taking days to return to normal therefore DHT production taking days to return to normal.

[JulioGP]

Sure.

It is known that the half-life of the drug is a few hours, for 6 to 8 hours. Some studies say that DHT could be suppressed for several days, but this is legend. Hormones such as insulin, testosterone and even DHT (which is much more potent than testosterone itself) has varied very dynamic and undergo rapid changes depending on what medication.

If you take the medicine and performs blood test shortly after that for sure will give you the difference if you take medicine today and do the blood test only the next day.

Wrong who think that taking this medication and knowing that in 12 hours there is absolutely nothing more in bloodstream, your DHT will remain low for several days. That I could easily observe performing blood test.

I participate in a forum to debate baldness in Brazil with over 7,000 users. Nobody does this kind of use (every other day), because no DHT test proves effective in this way, however, with this you cause large swings of DHT in your body because every time it is reduced when you take Finasteride in the days that you do not take Finasteride is a rebound effect.

Anyway, many here advocate this method of use. I'm not here to waste my time trying to prove something to someone, I'm just sharing my information.

[goldbondmafia]

I think you are making a big mess. In the first test with Fina I realized I used 1mg every other day and take the examination after the "no day" there was no reduction in DHT show some charts around the internet.

In the second test (not yet left the results) I used 0.5 mg daily and performed blood tests the next day, usually.

They are different things taking 1mg every other day and 0.5 mg daily, as this may prove to be the half-life of the product could actually reduce the DHT for several days even with just one dose, as speculated, and as I have not seen in my blood test. Another thing would be to use a dosage less than one day and see what would be the reduction.

So I guess it makes a difference when you take fin then blood test? For me personally I took mine 6 weeks into using fin but the blood test itself I woke up early, got my blood test, then took my daily 1mg after I got home and ate. I wonder if my DHT would have been lower assuming I woke up took the pill then went to the clinic

[JulioGP]

I think you are making a big mess. In the first test with Fina I realized I used 1mg every other day and take the examination after the "no day" there was no reduction in DHT show some charts around the internet.

In the second test (not yet left the results) I used 0.5 mg daily and performed blood tests the next day, usually.

They are different things taking 1mg every other day and 0.5 mg daily, as this may prove to be the half-life of the product could actually reduce the DHT for several days even with just one dose, as speculated, and as I have not seen in my blood test. Another thing would be to use a dosage less than one day and see what would be the reduction.

[Dan26]

Julio didn't you say that 1mg/daily decreased your DHT, but 0.5mg did not? Obviously you know this makes no sense if that is the case...

[optimisticyouth]

50% to 70% is different than zero. that has been said here that it is not possible to observe any reduction in DHT is pure lack of information.

I don't recall anyone saying fin didn't reduce dht. Quite the opposite, actually, we were confused by your results that showed an INCREASE in dht which was why we questioned your results.

[Buster]

how much you taking?

I was taking 1mg per day, but as of a few weeks ago I'm taking 1.25 daily, because I switched to the cheaper 5mg pill form.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

Does anyone know where you can get this test in the Toronto area? I've been on Fin for a year and a half and my hair is worse than when I started. My hair started to get thinner within a few months of starting Fin, which I thought was just a Fin shed, but it hasn't returned to baseline.

how much you taking?

[Buster]

Does anyone know where you can get this test in the Toronto area? I've been on Fin for a year and a half and my hair is worse than when I started. My hair started to get thinner within a few months of starting Fin, which I thought was just a Fin shed, but it hasn't returned to baseline.

[JulioGP]

Everyone is different. I recall a study where 1mg daily reduced by anywhere from 50-70%. It ranges between individuals.

50% to 70% is different than zero. that has been said here that it is not possible to observe any reduction in DHT is pure lack of information.

[Dan26]

Now see that interesting.

Several users of this forum: youngin, optimisticyouth and UK_ insisted that Fina not lower the Plasma DHT and that my tests were wrong, because the DHT level would not have reduced this way, through by blood tests.

I do not even need to answer that talked a lot of nonsense.

Everyone is different. I recall a study where 1mg daily reduced by anywhere from 50-70%. It ranges between individuals.