disgusting

[Tracy C]

[Personally, I would have Mr Ziering removed from the website, as he was sat next to him on the sofa chatting away and taking all the credit.

They should be avoided if they are prepared to deceive the public like this.

Is this show available for viewing so I can see for myself if Dr. Ziering actually attempted to deceive any one.

Most men who do their due diligence about hair transplant surgery will know that the vertex is rarely treated with hair transplant surgery. Without being able to actually see the show you are talking about, I cannot know that an actual attempt to deceive the public happened.

[stratofortress]

Is this show available for viewing so I can see for myself if Dr. Ziering actually attempted to deceive any one.

Tracy,

Towards the end of the article there's a shot of the front and crown from the TV appearance on 'This Morning'- a UK breakfast show.

Jason had the HT and made his TV appearance with concealer. He wanted to look his best and as a person in showbiz it's somewhat acceptable to have a HT/ to fix the problem, but not to cake your head in make-up to disguise your loss.

Of course this implied that that hair seen on TV was purely the result of the HT. Jason did nothing to dispel this.

[Tracy C]

Of course this implied that that hair seen on TV was purely the result of the HT. Jason did nothing to dispel this.

So... Where and when during this show did Dr. Ziering himself imply that this patients results as seen during this show were completely from the hair transplant surgery he performed? I can agree that the fact that Jason himself did nothing to dispel this is unethical - but where, when and how did Dr. Ziering himself intentionally mislead anyone?

It is obvious that the OP wants to discredit Dr. Ziering, who is a very well respected doctor. Since that is the case, the OP needs to show solid proof that the doctor himself did in fact intentionally try to mislead people. I do not see proof of that in this article. I would like to see the show.

[Gubter_87]

I reckon that the fact that Dr. Ziering was sitting there next to him on that same show - without saying anything about that the results that were shown were not solely because of the HT is misleading enough.

I also seem to recall that he came on this board and said that to his knowledge NO hair make-up was used in that show. Shouldn't he have known better?

And if he is there to show off his work - shouldn't he have made sure that what was shown WAS actually his work?

[Tracy C]

I reckon that the fact that Dr. Ziering was sitting there next to him on that same show - without saying anything about that the results that were shown were not solely because of the HT is misleading enough.

Was Dr. Ziering sitting there next to him? I have not seen the show so I do not know. The article implies the possibility that D. Ziering may have been participating in that show via teleconference. If that is the case, Dr, Ziering may not have been able to see what everyone else was seeing. I have not seen the show, so I do not know if he was physically present or not. Did you see the show? When the OP is actively trying to discredit a well respected doctor, details like this are very impotant. The details matter. If Dr. Ziering was physically present during the show or had any means what so ever of seeing what everyone else was seeing, then yes Dr. Ziering needs to answer for his actions.

[stratofortress]

So... Where and when during this show did Dr. Ziering himself imply that this patients results as seen during this show were completely from the hair transplant surgery he performed? I can agree that the fact that Jason himself did nothing to dispel this is unethical - but where, when and how did Dr. Ziering himself intentionally mislead anyone?

It is obvious that the OP wants to discredit Dr. Ziering, who is a very well respected doctor. Since that is the case, the OP needs to show solid proof that the doctor himself did in fact intentionally try to mislead people. I do not see proof of that in this article. I would like to see the show.

The item about the HT led the viewer to believe that the concealer enhanced hair was the result of the transplant. Before pictures were shown if I recall correctly. I vaguely remember seeing this on TV.

Tracy, I just found a link to the item as it aired- here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQhg-FoMfI

There was no mention of the concealer.

[Tracy C]

Thank you. I did find it and had just finished watching it. I am devided on my opinion at this time. There was no attempt to intentionally mislead anyone - but there was also no attempt to disclose that he was wearing concealer. I am troubled by this - but at the same time I cannot fault the doctor either. I am reading the patient's body language which tells me it was more the patient than the doctor. I do think the use of concealer should have been disclosed. However I can see that this patient probably would not have been comfortable with that.

[PayDay]

I found the original thread. Dr. Ziering responded.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=4745

I think it's silly to blame Dr. Ziering for something that is out of his control. I don't think it would have been in good taste to embarrass his patient on national TV. Hope I'm not being too positive.

[DAVE52]

. If Dr. Ziering was physically present during the show or had any means what so ever of seeing what everyone else was seeing, then yes Dr. Ziering needs to answer for his actions.

If I recall, he was .

[topcat]

Anyone can view comments made to the forums regarding these celebrity hair transplants and all these young guys are amazed and that is the intention as it is marketing 101. To say that most men who do their due diligence understand that the crown is rarely treated is a giant misstatement and completely false. To make such a statement shows just how little you know. The vast majority believe that they are going to receive close to a full restoration including the crown now or later with further procedures and especially these younger guys and they believe they have completed their due diligence. This doctor specifically bragged about the whorl in the crown area.

In reality it’s more like these guys that think they have done their due diligence are only fooling themselves as they see a few results, visit a few forums or pull a name off a list. They in fact don’t know jack shit about anything and when someone points out reality well then they are being negative. These same guys simply do not understand the numbers and they are often being advised by those that don’t have their best interests at heart.

So instead of focusing on the results the forums should be focusing on how the industry operates so that better decisions can be made by those researching. To believe that pulling a name off a list is a good method is completely asinine.

This is a perfect example of the modus operandi of the industry, they conveniently leave out the important information, like he has shitload of concealer in his hair. And my opinion is that the doctor is being completely dishonest. He waved his hand over the recipient area more than a few times to show the area that would be covered. He sat there telling the audience that the procedure was very affordable although in this patient’s case it was a little on the high side. He sits there with a straight face telling no one a second and maybe third procedure would be required nor does he feel the need to mention the concealer. I mean come on 3000 gfafts and he is done?

For the do gooders that can’t see this deception right in your face you are doing these young guys a great disservice and you are part of the problem.

I can't imagine doing what this person has done by misleading others. Then people can't seem to understand why I start throwing words like scumbag around. They are leading the lambs to slaughter and I find it disgusting.

I have posted my own photos during my repair process and to not mention one photo is with concealer and let people believe this is my repair would be pathetic.

Here is my current repair same exact point in time one with concealer one without.

[Tracy C]

To say that most men who do their due diligence understand that the crown is rarely treated is a giant misstatement and completely false.

No it isn't.

[spreadlocks]

When choosing a dr I looked at hundreds of results posted by him online to see what was achievable if things went well. (bearing in mind that a ht doesnt restore all of your hair). I then weighed that up and decided that it was worth spending thousands to hopefully achieve the equivalent of the results he had posted.

If I found out that they had not been real representations I would never have thought it worth spending all that money. Hence I would have been tricked and I would be going mental at my doc expecting every penny back and more in return.

Whether The Dr knew the patient was wearing concealer or not I dont know. However I can't believe anyone would say that it's not important. False hope is a dangerous dangerous thing.

[Jotronic]

So instead of focusing on the results the forums should be focusing on how the industry operates so that better decisions can be made by those researching.

No. We should be focusing on the results, first and foremost but learning about how results are presented is what should be learned in ADDITION to the results being seen. One thing that I wish you would learn more about, Topcat, is how flash photography makes hair look completely different than in reality. It can be just as deceptive as using concealer and many clinics, even "good" clinics, use this trick even after I've proven how deceptive this is.

[PayDay]

Jotronic makes a great point. Lighting is everything. The lighting of Topcat's pictures is a little deceptive if you ask me. Did you ever see this video from Spencer Kobren? It's a good example of this.

[topcat]

Payday please explain to me how my lighting is deceptive. The actual result is under high power fluorescent lighting and clearly shows the result to date. I should have mentioned that this particular picture with concealer was taken under lighting that was less harsh and that was clearly stated when I originally posted it to my repair thread to make a point. I also included a picture with concealer and the same florescent lighting to show everyone the difference that not only concealer can make but the effect lighting has on the result. This is all important information and for a doctor to sit there and not know and not say anything is complete deception and this is what makes the majority in this business unethical.

Jotronic I am somewhat familiar with lighting but I am always open to learning more. It took me a long time just to learn how to get a close up picture that was very clear. I think my lighting where I am showing the actual result is good but if you have a suggestion that would make it better I am always open to listening.

I disagree it's not just about the results. It's probably more 50/50 skill, natural talent and then ethics, honesty, caring etc. I have met a few doctors that had skill and as people they are complete assholes and in my opinion not ethical. In fact one happens to be on the very list that a few posters on here keep promoting, but they don't seem to know much. I let tthat particular doctor know I wouldn't use them if they were the last clinic on earth.