What goes on behind the scenes

**topcat** · 01-08-2012, 10:01 PM

I think it�s foolish to make assumptions about what I know goes on behind the scenes in this industry. But there is nothing I would like to see more than those that work in the industry or on the periphery to actually put aside the huge sums of money they are making and grow a set of balls and tell us what you know.

I see these clueless guys coming on to this forums thinking they are doing research when what you claim to know about what goes on behind the scenes is what would really help them and after all that is why these forums exist.

**mattj** · 01-09-2012, 04:30 AM

Quite an intriguing and provocative thread. I'm not sure what you're referring to, though.

**Follicle Death Row** · 01-09-2012, 07:13 AM

Fill us in. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

**ejj** · 01-09-2012, 07:28 AM

I think there is a ` fraternity ` mentality kind of like the ` old boys network ` that is employed by Drs and there staff , I say this entirely from my own experiences over the last 20 years .

Several years ago I consulted with a very well known UK Dr and there patient rep , when I asked about a particular Dr In Greece who was hugely cheaper than the uk Dr, the patient co-ordinator replied " No Comment " .... now my view was" hey the other Dr cant be that bad then " and guess what the procedure was a disaster , now if i had been fully informed that choi implanter was crap I wouldnt of gone ! so my question is why do Drs protect one another ? when they know what works and what doesnt ! who damages patients , who doesnt ! its hard for patients to understand that this goes on , but it does ......

You have to really put the time in to understand the reasoning behind the above and who best to perform your procedure , its like role reversal for a job interview and you question the Dr for the vacant position .. " Is this Dr and his staff good enough to perform a procedure on my head " million dollar question ....

ejj

**topcat** · 01-09-2012, 09:00 AM

I am referring to a comment that was made on the bald truth show last night that I believe was directed towards me. That I didn�t know what goes on behind the scenes in this industry a foolish assumption in my opinion. But regardless of if it was directed towards me or not if the host and others know what goes on in this industry behind the scenes and if you are truly patient advocates you can afford the risk of posting that information for the benefit of the clueless masses that come to these forums in search of honest information.

**Follicle Death Row** · 01-09-2012, 09:52 AM

I'm lost. Didn't listen to the show last night.

**HelpROGER** · 01-09-2012, 11:54 AM

Topcat you have read my story before. If it were not for Spencer Kobren sharing what goes on behind the scenes I would have gone to MHR for a hair transplant that I did not need. I credit Spencer , this website, and his show for the life I have now. The Bald Truth is all about letting people like me know what goes on behind the scenes. It�s silly for you to say that it is not. I watched the show last night and agree about what was said about people who think that they are experts on forums. The disgusting other forum that I quit after being solicited by private message by a hair transplant salesman, is full of people and moderators who act like experts. Maybe you are an expert, I don�t know for sure, but I do know that Spencer is an expert and so is Jotronic for that matter who was on the show last night. I�m assuming that you don�t know as much as they do about hair transplants and hair transplant doctors, and I don�t think that I am foolish.. I was lucky and found this site and the show before I got hurt like you did. I would probably think differently if I were in your shoes, but I am not because of the behind the scenes information that I learned about because of the show and this website. Can I ask what�s with all the drama? You claim to be doing your best just to help others, but you spend so much time making useless posts like these? Why are you so insecure to think that they were talking about you?

**ejj** · 01-09-2012, 12:51 PM

just to add my thoughts , Dr Rassmans book that he kindly posted to me some time ago now, clearly says that the patient is becoming more educated than some Drs in the feild ! food for thought i think

regards

ejj

**topcat** · 01-09-2012, 01:27 PM

Helproger the point of the post which you are missing is that it’s not about me caring if somebody is talking about me. It’s the comment itself on the show that someone who is a poster regardless of who it is really doesn’t know what truly goes on in this industry. I think it’s naïve not to know that patients along with ex employees of the industry have networked and speak to each other on a regular basis commenting on both the industry along with how the forums operate.

The show simply came out and stated a fact which I know is absolutely true. So now I ask why as patient advocates who make their living from this business don’t they divulge this information to the readers. It’s a simple question and maybe that is how I should have posted it but the fact is it angers me knowing that the comment they made is 100% true yet they remain silent for the most part because they have no choice.

I am not picking on this particular forum but the comment was made so now I ask the question what exactly is going on behind the scenes that we as readers and prospective hair transplant patients don't know about but is crucial to the decision making process? I don't want to know about what has already been stated I want to know exactly what was quoted, I want to know about what we don't know.

BTW Roger if it were up to those who are making the money in this business they would be the only so called experts and we should all listen to them 100% without questioning anything. Sorry but I disagree and you are sadly mistaken.

**topcat** · 01-09-2012, 03:02 PM

Roger these are not useless posts and in fact those new to the forums should be paying attention. I am way past any personal hurt many years ago and once again you are sadly mistaken. I make a point to post in order to help keep these guys in the industry that run these forums and clinics honest and I have been doing it close to 14 years now.

I am happy that you were able to avoid going to a bad doctor but you are clueless to what goes on behind the scenes and how each forum operates along with the industry and all of it�s players. Thank you for replying but I am looking for a reply that specifically answers the question about the comment that was made that posters do not know what goes on behind the scenes. If you do not have that answer which I am fairly certain you don�t please do not take the thread off topic. Start a new thread if you must.

**sausage** · 01-09-2012, 03:39 PM

Well I guess negative, terrible things go on behind the scenes then....is that what your saying?

**HelpROGER** · 01-09-2012, 04:04 PM

I have no recollection of either Spencer or Jotronic referring to anything negative that happens behind the scenes. How do yo know that they were not talking about the positive stuff, like new techniques being tested or something? You just sound paranoid. And if they were talking about negative stuff, why would they mention it on a national radio show if they were keeping it from us? That would be stupid.
I think you just got mad because you thought they were saying that you are not the expert that you think you are and you went off and posted this stupid thread. This was just a case of your testosterone getting the best of you. It's very petty. And you have no right to tell me how to react to a BS thread that you started. You have no right to demand only the answers you want to hear. You sound off your rocker! Who do you think you are, KING OF THE FORUMS? lol.
All hail King Topcat!

**sausage** · 01-09-2012, 04:22 PM

I am a newbee here, interested in Hair transplants can you tell me if the things behind the scenes are positive or negative.

Is there an immense new procedure just around the corner?

has cloning worked?

**ejj** · 01-09-2012, 05:20 PM

hello sausage ( sorry for soundin camp ! )

Im trying to read between the lines here , what I think is that reference is being made to people within the industry with access to information not readily available to the general prospective patient like you and i ,

this could be access to something positive like an early heads up regarding new treatments like early results of " replicell " or " stem cell therapy " , someone working in the industry could have info on how the results/ clinical trials were working out either good or not so good , an example would be say the military who are issued with a new peice of kit by the government who say its state of the art kit , however the guys who use it daily say its crap !! the only way of knowing the truth would be to talk to the guys who use the crap kit daily , if you cant have accsess to do so your firmly in the dark and have to rely on the government telling you the truth ( hope im makin sense here )

An example of this would be acell , its been trialed for over 2 years now , yet no Dr or Clinic have provided solid photographic evidence that it is beneficial to healing or transplants , however are quite happy to charge extra for it , slowly I suspect it is being kicked into the long grass , as the " behind the scenes " info is probably negative , however the point is do the people in the know have a moral obligation to share what they know with the rest of us ?? I think this raises more questions than it answers , my view is to speak to as many patients as possible before making any decisions

Another point could be industry insiders patient reps etc knowing which Drs use legal disclaimers or pay unhappy patients off to stop them sharing there results online , or Drs threatening patients with lawsuits , I think this is whats meant by " behind the scenes ".. then again i may be wrong and hopefully someone will correct me

I dont think this is a stupid post at all , I believe this to be good healthy debate which is what the forums are for !

hope this helps

ejj