Failed FUE surgery ??

[Folly]

For the rest of our sakes, could you name the surgeon for us, and what country you had it done in.

Unfortunately, not for the time being. I'm waiting until 12 months post-op and then i will have a review with him and see what he says.

[sausage]

Nop. I've had maybe 5 - 10% growth. I'm just over 10 months post op now, so the remaining 90 - 95 % growth is highly unlikely.

Oh dear. Sorry man.

For the rest of our sakes, could you name the surgeon for us, and what country you had it done in.

Thanks.

[Morbo]

DepressedByHairLoss:

Don't take this the wrong way man, we're all here because we feel down or even sad by our hairloss. It's completely out of our control and we wish we had it otherwise. We see people who are self-confident or even arrogant, they act like total jerks, they take what they have for granted and we feel we might've deserved to keep our hair more than they did.

But you know what? When I read your post about "the enormous burden of baldness", "prayers not being answered" and "injustice" I really wanna slap some sense in you. Seriously man you're 32 years-old.

80-85 % of the people in the world (both bald and full of hair) are born in poverty, hunger, war or enviroments which give them absolutely no chances for the future. Other people are born with - or get the 'enormous burden' on a later stage in life - some terrible physical or mental handicap/disease which excludes them completely of starting a normal family or social life. Neither one of their prayers will ever by answered.

Yes, it's sad we lost a big part of our identity and our good looks, but you know what? Put your money where your mouth is and go run those 10 miles a day, go work out in the gym and be mindful of your clothes and half the chicks won't even care if you're bald.

We're all here because we hope one day to see (even just a small part) of our hair back. But if you're depressed because you can't be billionaire or bang tons of hot chicks you need to get real or man up.

[Folly]

Folly, how you getting on now? any sign of growth?

Nop. I've had maybe 5 - 10% growth. I'm just over 10 months post op now, so the remaining 90 - 95 % growth is highly unlikely.

[sausage]

Folly, how you getting on now? any sign of growth?

[VictimOfDHT]

Depressed, I understand your frustration and anger. I feel a lot of anger myself. Like I said, life is NOT fair and doesn't make any sense. That's the one indisputable truth about life. Life is full of miseries.
I know sometimes it appears like good people get the shitty end of the stick while the bad and evil ones get the good. But like I said, hair loss is a matter of genetics. Being good or bad will have no bearing on whether you're going to be bald or not. And I don't care if you pray every second of every day of your life, if your parents had the bald gene in them, you're going to end up bald. I'm a good person too who's never hurt anyone in my life, yet I have a shitty life and I'm losing my hair, thanks to my parents. I don't see it any other way.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I don't know man, this whole prayer issue is really a debateable thing. I think some people's prayers actually do get answered especially people who live happy lives without such enormous burdens as hair loss or anything else. I do agree though that if God did answer the prayers of everyone, then we would live in a perfect and peaceful world, which we obviously don't.
My issue is that I believe that a certain medication that I was taking for a long time contributed to my hair loss, yet I was never aware at all this medication could cause hair loss. If I had known, I never would've taken that medication in the first place. I just wish I would've been given some sign, any kind of sign that certain medications could cause hair loss. Even if some one had casually said something off the cuff about certain medications causing hair loss, or I had read something on the internet to that effect, then I would have been "warned", and I would've gotten off that medication immediately. But man, I was just so naive about hair loss before it happened to me. Hell, I didn't even know what the term 'alopecia' even meant before I started losing my hair.
You're right that genetics is to blame most of the time for hair loss, and I don't blame you for blaming your dad for giving you bad genetics that caused your hair loss. Although I'm pissed off that hair loss is obviously in my genetics as well, I could never really blame my folks for any of this. I think I most likely got this bad hair loss gene(s) from my maternal side of the family, and my mother loves me so much that she would never wish this upon me at all. None of my bald family members would wish this upon me either, they got shafted with regards to shit genetics, just like I did. What really kills me is that my dad is 60 years old and still has very thick hair. He actually developed a receding hair line at age 20 (very early) but it never progressed beyond that and his hair always stayed very thick so no one ever commented on his receding hair line.
What really kills me is that in this world, there is no justice whatsoever. You see good people all the time getting screwed over with shitty things happening to them like hair loss and other diseases, yet bad people so often get the best luck and have the best things happen to them. I consider myself to be moral and good person, and I know that I never did anything to deserve this hair loss curse. Yet one of my rock n roll heroes (Vince Neil of Motley Crue) kills his friend and causes the brain damage of another person in a drunk driving accident and what's his reward? Millions of dollars, banging tons of hot chicks, and making a living having the time of his life. There is certainly no justice in this world and you don't get what you give, as so many people like to say. If there really was a God watching over us, then these injustices would most certainly never happen, or wouldn't happen so frequently.
Actually, I was talking to a guy today about God and religion, and he was telling me that instead of praying for certain things to happen (which I don't do anymore), pray to God to give you the strength to make it through those tough times. But that's total B.S. when it comes to hair loss because right now there is no treatment or medication for us to completely regrow our hair, or even regrow a decent amount of it. And that's what's so maddening about hair loss, that it is largely permanent and there is nothing really effective that we can do to change our situation. So many people have the opportunity to work hard to change the things that they don't like in their life. If a person is fat, they can bust their ass to lose weight. If a person isn't making enough money, they can always go back to school to get a better education so that they can make more money. Or they can search for a better job. If a person is small, they can always pump iron and get bigger. Yet as hair loss sufferers, we're really ****ed in our situation because their is no effective method to regrow our hair. And if there was a way to regrow hair, I have no doubt that guys like you, me, and many others would pursue it no matter how much it costs or how much pain we had to endure. If it was hypothetically proven that if a person ran 10 miles a day, that they would regrow a substantial portion of their hair, I would run that 10 miles and much more, despite the fact that I can't even run 1 mile nonstop today! I would find a way.
Life sure as shit doesn't make any sense at all and you certainly don't get what you give. It makes wonder why I should even try to do the right thing anymore, if all I get is total shit in return. I ask myself 'why should I even bother to pray when all I get is pain and suffering in return'? I dunno man, life is totally ****ed up, we both know that.

[VictimOfDHT]

VictimOfDHT, I totally agree with that last paragraph you wrote. People always tell me the same thing too, that it's all in our hands and that life is what you make it. I sure as hell don't buy that anymore. After all, I didn't cause this hair loss to happen to myself and hair loss restricts a person's life, affecting a person's ability to get a good-looking girlfriend to playing in a true rock n roll band to a person's confidence most of all. People who don't suffer from hair loss truly cannot even comprehend what we're going through and are usually the ones to offer such stupid bullshit advice as "hair doesn't make the man" and "looks don't mean as much as inner qualities". I have tried to make so many deals with God, saying that if He would somehow give me my hair back, I would do anything in return like praying every day of the year and volunteering my own time to charities. But I guess that's too much to ask. And you're right, some people (people who aren't tied down by baldness) seem to have all the fun while others are just afflicted with constant misery. Hell, I used to be the one having constant fun until hair loss severely ruined my life.

You know, people who don't suffer from hair loss will never understand what people who suffer from hair loss feel. Hell, even some of those who do suffer from hair loss don't understand what other sufferers feel. Like I always say, no two people will react to the same problem the same way, but people never want to understand this fact. That's why some hair loss sufferers don't give a damn. But what pisses me off is they expect us all to feel the same way, which is IMPOSSIBLE. They have no idea how debilitating hair loss can be to some of us. My own brother always tells me I'm making such a big deal out of something that isn't worth it! That's why I don't argue with him much because it's futile. The same thing with the rest of the people out there.

As for making deals with god. I tell you it does NOT work. You know, god doesn't really get any benefit from us praying to him day and night. He doesn't really need it. And I tell you, I believe in god but I don't believe prayers work. Well, maybe they do .000001% of the time. I have yet to hear about a balding man getting his hair back by praying to god. Not even the most religious and pious man. I myself used to pray to god every single day for many many years to save me from this curse. Well,...
You have better chances winning the lottery 3 times in a row than having your prayer answered. But on the other hand, I can't put the blame on god. It was my father who was bald and my mother was from a family where the men don't have thick hair. So to be realistic about this, I think if there was one to blame its my parents, and I DO BLAME them big time. It was their choice to get married and not god's. And simple biology tells me that we inherit our genetics from our parents. God just "sits" and watches but rarely interferes. Yes, he could stop my misery and stop my hair loss and give me my lost hair back but like I said, god isn't going to intervene in these things. If god was going to answer all of our prayers there will be no more misery on this planet, PERIOD. So, I have come to the realization that I should NEVER expect any help from god in these matters. And again, I hold my father 99.9% responsibility for my suffering and my misery and I put .01% of the "blame" on god because I know if he wanted to change things he could do it in a sec too.

I don't know. This whole ****ing life doesn't make any sense to me. Nothing in it does. Like why is there hair loss to begin with? What ****ing purpose does it serve? Why some people have it and why most dont? Of course this isn't just about hair loss. Like I said, I have yet to find anything in this life that makes sense.

As for the guy asking about wigs. I don't think I'll ever do that. They're just not practical. I'd also feel I'm only fooling myself. I'd rather glue a hat on than wear a wig. I never want to hear people say "he's wearing a wig". That would kill me. I think people stare more at wigs than they do at bald heads.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Hey Folly, first off thanks for the kind & empathetic words. With regards to your question about wigs: there are plenty of reasons that I wouldn't get a wig. First off, a lot of them can be very detectable, even when they're from a reputable place. One of my friends got one because he's a lead singer and didn't want to front a band as a bald man. He went to a very reputable place (not a chain like Bosley or Hair Club) that actually serviced celebrities. Yet plenty of people still could easily detect that it was a wig, both when he was onstage and when he was off stage regularly interacting with people. And that would really be devastating to me if people could detect, and make fun of me, for wearing a wig. He has one of those semi-permanent ones that was bonded/glued onto his head. I know that those can require lots of maintenance. When you sweat, they tend to come loose and during the summertime I know my friend needed to re-attach his piece every other day. They cost a lot of money to maintain, at least $350 a month for re-attachment and other things to help bond it in place. One last thing is that I believe that since these semi-permanent wigs needs to keep being bonded and glued onto your head, the hair underneath the wig can get permanently damaged and I definitely do not want that, especially since vastly superior treatments like Histogen and Replicel are hopefully on the way. It just kills me that so many of us are so determined to fight hair loss yet we're stuck with such shitty option like wigs and the Big 3 (what a joke that is).

[ejj]

No worries Folly ,

Dr Bisanga is doing my repair .

When someone makes a remark ( sounds like bisanga ) it can set the alarm bells off thinking has something changed with the Dr ? Has BHR got "arty the robot " doing the work ! has there been a change of techs.. ! all these Qs can spring to mind, thats why I wanted to know that it wasnt BHR, and not who your Dr is /was, thats entirely up to you to disclose or not , and not for people to second guess based upon little or no known evidence .

Your at 8.5 months i really hope you get a growth spurt soon and manage to slow the loss , on a positive note at least you dont have a big scar as you had FUE

all the best
ejj

[Folly]

Ejj, i'll be happy to clarify who the HT surgeon was in a few months when i can see the final results. Although currently at 8.5 months, it looks like there wont be any. My HT surgeon has been very helpfull and met with me whenever i've asked, to answer my questions. Lets see what he offers if i don't have any results.

Victim, i'd like to say something like 'keep fighting' or 'you'll get through this', but i got a feeling you're passed all that. 2011 has been the shittest year of my life. I had a HT when i didn't need one and now it's triggered off my MPB bigtime. I never shed like this before the HT and i fail to believe it's a coincidence. After not having acne in almost 10 years, i've had quite bad breakouts the last 5 months or so, all due to stress according to the dermatologist. I've also had an erection problem the last 6 months or so. I've been seing an endrochronologist about it, but he says it's all in my head as my hormones/blood work is fine. Although i must admit, the boner problem has gotten much better the last 3-4 weeks, which is why i decided to start propecia. I've only been really depressed that last 6 months or so, but i'm still pretty optimistic about stuff. I guess if i have to deal with this shit for years like you, my spirit will also be broken. I feel for you bro !! You too DepressedByHairLoss.

The hair loss on my hairline is really bothering me now. I went to a non-surgical HT clinic last week, who specialise in hair-pieces. Wearing a piece is a lot of hassle and expensive, but i'm willing to put up with it for a while. Assuming i have no growth in 2 months, i'm planning on going to Feller/Cole in the US. Up until that time, i'm considering wearing a hairpiece. The guy i saw had one on and it was impossible to tell it was a hairpiece. He said if it's hard-bonded, you can't even pull it off. The only downside, if someone rubs their hands through your hair, they might be able to feel the edges of the hairpiece.

Have any of you guys ever considered hair-pieces ? What puts you off them ?

[DepressedByHairLoss]

VictimOfDHT, I totally agree with that last paragraph you wrote. People always tell me the same thing too, that it's all in our hands and that life is what you make it. I sure as hell don't buy that anymore. After all, I didn't cause this hair loss to happen to myself and hair loss restricts a person's life, affecting a person's ability to get a good-looking girlfriend to playing in a true rock n roll band to a person's confidence most of all. People who don't suffer from hair loss truly cannot even comprehend what we're going through and are usually the ones to offer such stupid bullshit advice as "hair doesn't make the man" and "looks don't mean as much as inner qualities". I have tried to make so many deals with God, saying that if He would somehow give me my hair back, I would do anything in return like praying every day of the year and volunteering my own time to charities. But I guess that's too much to ask. And you're right, some people (people who aren't tied down by baldness) seem to have all the fun while others are just afflicted with constant misery. Hell, I used to be the one having constant fun until hair loss severely ruined my life.

[topcat]

Speaking just for myself I would say that I am very reasonable, open minded and open to intelligent debate. But how exactly do you respond to someone that just decides to take a guess about something or literally just make it up. Of course I am bothered by doctors and clinics that are not completely truthful with patients but nothing turns my stomach more and I truly mean it, than a person that comes on to the forums who was a former patient and is supposed to be a patient advocate but feels it’s okay to just make something up. Yes, it looks like this persons work or it sounds like something that clinic would do. This is supposed to be a patient advocate: It is taking ethics to a new low and I say this as patient that has been completely screwed over by the deception of this industry. This is the problem with those that are paid by the same industry in which they profess to be an advocate for the customer.

I read that comment about who the advocate thought the doctor was when it was originally posted but just kind of laughed. I really had expected other paid advocates or even the forum moderator to chime in. The reason being is that he makes you all look bad while making it hard for prospective patients to believe what they are reading here. When someone who is suppose to be credible just decides it's okay to make sh*t up you know their is a problem.

Sometimes all one needs to do is point out the dots and hopefully others can connect the lines. This is just the world we live in today. Who is the good guy, who is the bad guy. Too often the lone voices get drowned out by those that control the medium so it is up to each individual to educate themselves. Don’t trust anybody including me and make sure you understand this industry completely before making a decision.

[ejj]

Folly

I really feel for you , hairloss is devasting at whatever age it starts . I have been on a twenty year quest to be repaired, after all the scarring and poor growth from several Drs , not to mention the costs , truely sole destroying !!

At the moment im considering a second procedure with BHR as the first one of grafting beard hair into my massive acell scars, is looking pretty good, so far , I asked bhr if you were a patient of theres and they stated ` NO ` .. just wanted to clarify this as somewhere in the thread someone commented " sounds like bisanga " which is not the case .

Im wondering if a small test of beard hair say 50 grafts or so may help you , see what the growth is like and move forward from this , if your in europe there are a couple of Drs who are well worth consulting with, either way I hope you can find some satisfaction for your situ . Dont give up !

regards

ejj

[VictimOfDHT]

Depressedbyhairloss, this isn't only about discussing the loss of transplanted hair. Like I mentioned in my reply, even though my hair loss was a big factor in why I feel miserable, it wasn't the only one. I've had a shitty tough life since I was a child and I can honestly say I've never enjoyed a day in all the past years since I was 10 but nothing has destroyed me and my life like the struggle with this ****ing curse (hair loss). I really used to think god is fair and he knows all the shit that I have gone through and still going through and probably will die going through and really believed he wasn't going to add to my misery and torture by hitting me with this curse. ****, even after I started losing hair I thought ok, at least I could get HTs, and for a while I thought ok god didn't exactly save me from this curse nor did he give me millions of dollars to throw around on HTs but NEVER in a million years did I ever imagine that god was going to hit me with another curse on top of the one I already have- causing me to even lose my transplanted hair. I could never get over this. My face looks the worst ever. I always looked years younger than my age but since the last shed I have lines all over my face from the stress and anxiety. Of course having a newly receded hairline and temples -all over again- only makes things worse in the looks dept. I can't even stand looking in the mirror any more because I really see a different person. I usually leave the lights off in the bathroom so I won't have to be reminded of how miserable I look now.

**** life. Nothing good about it, at least for some of us. Nothing makes sense about life. Some people were born to suffer while some were born to have all the fun in the world. And no, it ISN'T all in our hands. That's a total load of shit that I can't stand listening to (from people).