ACell, a Current Review of Applications in Hair Transplant Surgery

[UK_]

Is this UK the same clown that a few weeeks ago was pushing for the Trx2 product claiming it would do miracles and is now here bashing at this ACell thread?
C'mmon UK you clearly have some sort of agenda. Why don't you stop with all the drama and let the reasearchers, Doctors and others really interested in this topic fill us in. In the meantime you can still go and do your cheerleading for the Trx2. What do you say champ?

What on earth are you blabbing on about? Since when was I "pushing for TRX2"? Go, run along and find me a post in which I directly stated that there is scientific evidence for the efficacy of TRX2.

Hurry up, you made the claim, you find my quote.

[SilverSurfer]

Is this UK the same clown that a few weeeks ago was pushing for the Trx2 product claiming it would do miracles and is now here bashing at this ACell thread?
C'mmon UK you clearly have some sort of agenda. Why don't you stop with all the drama and let the reasearchers, Doctors and others really interested in this topic fill us in. In the meantime you can still go and do your cheerleading for the Trx2. What do you say champ?

[RichardDawkins]

Only one thing

Bakez F*** YOU you are stupid. If i would be 23 years old and suffer hairloss i wouldnt play Mister Big Shot here and discredit Dr Hitzig at Hairsite and here.

So instead of using an overdone Facepalm picture you are not able to argue and tell us WHY Acell failed? When Dr Cole as Mister "Shoe me the bla bla" got a 92% yield with and 0% without Acell.

Answer the people here in a mature way or just leave this place and even hairsite forever because you contribute nothing, no links no nothing, all you do is leech and destroy.

Thats it no more to say to those two trolls anymore

[KeepTheHair]

Thanks for making this thread unreadable.

[UK_]

Dawkins, stop feeding UK opportunities to reply with 'show me the science'.

We get it, UK. We get your position. Fine. Please move on from it, because now you're just hijacking this thread and this broken record stuff is no longer constructive.

Dr. Cooley is performing acell plucking on patients once or twice a week. He says he is seeing consistent results over the last two years that has him very excited. He has been in the field for 15 years. He is a doctor, a specialist in his field, and a preeminent and trustworthy one at that. His IHRS presentation, if you've seen it, shows that there is a phenomenon that warrants further investigation. Fine, up until now you can characterize the evidence ass nothing more than anecdotal and insufficient to proclaim mission accomplished. Fine. It's not 'science' yet. But he and others are working towards the 'science' you want and there's reason to be optimistic. Fine, it's not a slam dunk. So just stop. You're starting to look like a shill for Dr. Cole, or nothing more than a troll. So move on from your point please.

Dawkins, do not engage this guy any further, for Christ's sake. Move on. You're not going to convince him. None of us will. Don't give him the satisfaction of debating this guy any longer.

I look forward to Bernsteins study and hope Richard, you were right about everything.

Looks like he's covering the whole shabang aswel; PRP, Plucking, Acell+PRP Injected n' their uses in transplants also.

[wolvie1985]

Dawkins, stop feeding UK opportunities to reply with 'show me the science'.

We get it, UK. We get your position. Fine. Please move on from it, because now you're just hijacking this thread and this broken record stuff is no longer constructive.

Dr. Cooley is performing acell plucking on patients once or twice a week. He says he is seeing consistent results over the last two years that has him very excited. He has been in the field for 15 years. He is a doctor, a specialist in his field, and a preeminent and trustworthy one at that. His IHRS presentation, if you've seen it, shows that there is a phenomenon that warrants further investigation. Fine, up until now you can characterize the evidence ass nothing more than anecdotal and insufficient to proclaim mission accomplished. Fine. It's not 'science' yet. But he and others are working towards the 'science' you want and there's reason to be optimistic. Fine, it's not a slam dunk. So just stop. You're starting to look like a shill for Dr. Cole, or nothing more than a troll. So move on from your point please.

Dawkins, do not engage this guy any further, for Christ's sake. Move on. You're not going to convince him. None of us will. Don't give him the satisfaction of debating this guy any longer.

[UK_]

Regarding Minox and Fin you should pay attention to this ncbhi site there are fine examples of WHAT those two miracle drugs can actually do.

Thats great! But your new treatment must still beat the current FDA approved treatments for it to be economically viable.

The question " Where is the science" is irrelevand, just irrelevant. Those anecdotal experiences, well name me the doctors?

No it isnt, Dr Cole is asking for the science, he has every right to do so, and so do I as a potential consumer.

Cause 92% vs 0% from your praised Dr Cole, seem to me more then just anecdotal.

So did Dr Bernstein get it wrong?

You dont get the point with your Internet Chat World of Warcraft Meme talk.

When hairs are cut in pieces they normally dont grow but with Acell they do, so what is anecdotal about this. .

Is there any evidence to suggest a 75% success rate regarding plucked hairs? If there is, please post it here.

Seriously i hate people who use LOL that often, are you 13 or what? So what science do you want? The science from 8 years ago where people described this? Or do you wanna read Gho papers where he also described that stuff.

I thought Dr Gho cured hair loss with unlimited donor 10 years ago? LOL What happend to that? Back then there were just as many over-excited individuals like yourself who got their hopes utterly dashed.

Let me ask you something, did Dr Gho provide any evidence/science for his original studies? Were any of them large/major controlled studies? NO.. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! It was only when his process was scientifically scrutinised that the house of cards came crashing down, along with the hoards of gleeming hopefuls like yourselfBAH!

History repeats itself sunshine.

Which explains my entire reason for quoting Dr Cole: SHOW ME THE SCIENCE.

[Bakez]

Jesus christ



just shut up

[RichardDawkins]

Regarding Minox and Fin you should pay attention to this ncbhi site there are fine examples of WHAT those two miracle drugs can actually do.

The question " Where is the science" is irrelevand, just irrelevant. Those anecdotal experiences, well name me the doctors?

Cause 92% vs 0% from your praised Dr Cole, seem to me more then just anecdotal.

You dont get the point with your Internet Chat World of Warcraft Meme talk.

When hairs are cut in pieces they normally dont grow but with Acell they do, so what is anecdotal about this.

But just name me the doctors who are still trapped with "anecdotal" stuff. Yes say the name, do you mean Dr Cole?

How i know this? Well just look at Dr Coles forum there you see it.

Seriously i hate people who use LOL that often, are you 13 or what? So what science do you want? The science from 8 years ago where people described this? Or do you wanna read Gho papers where he also described that stuff.

If you would understand how an ECM works and what the characteristics of hair are, you wouldnt ask for "Science" you would ask for docs to move on faster.

Great you compare Minox, Fin and FUE and a laser comb. What is it again ahh yes apples and oranges.

Minox is a toppic
Fin a pill
FUE a hairtransplant
Laser comb some stupid stuff from whateveritcamefrom

Acell in its combination is regenerative medicine those are different things.

And i have to agree with one poster, why hasnt Dr Cole chime in about 10 days before? I mean he started the whole thing with his "Where is the science"

[UK_]

Ok you gotta be ****ing me right. The science was proven by Cole himself when he said without Acell Beard hairs 0% yield and with Acell 92% yield.

Dr Bernstein is a sceptical and realistic person, so if there would be no plausible science well i doubt he would actually put efford in this.

Also you should really stop to refer to an really old one time argument by one doc while others do experiments.

You know, if this wouldnt work or if there wouldnt be potential i highly doubt that anyone would ever use this.

But i stop here before it gets out of hand again. The discussion is not pointless your same old stories are, especially with your story, february registered and all you do is jumping on Acell etc. Odd at best.

Also you didnt mention the most important part

"These parts can either be from hairs derived from plucking or from follicles which have been purposely cut into sections. Generally, damaged follicular units will stop growing hairs. However, there is anecdotal evidence that an extracellular matrix applied to partial follicles may stimulate whole follicles to grow and, when applied to wounds, may stimulate the body’s cells to heal the damaged tissue. "

So your science will be born be "experimenting" and not by saying "Where is the science" and then close the book to let others do stuff :-)

We shall see .

The key word in that quotation you sprawled across your post is "anecdotal", anecdotal means a short account of an incidence, reason I say that is because many doctors have already adopted the use of Acell/PRP and even months later we're still stuck with the "anecdotal evidence" lol.

There is anecdotal evidence for a number of things, saw plametto, the hair max laser comb yadda yadda yadda, but what makes a procedure significant in my books is one that provides the KEY scientific data, that means a controlled analysis into safety and efficacy. How do you know that PRP/Acell is safe for use in the scalp? How do you know if it is effective? Because it worked on a few patients in 2008 at growing a dozen fine whiskers in the crown? LOL you cannot under any circumstance judge the 'ultimate' efficacy of a treatment in any way shape or form on mere anecdotal evidence, YOU NEED SCIENCE - so once again, for the 10th time: SHOW ME THE SCIENCE. Regarding safety: I dont recall it being FDA cleared for hair restoration mate Another aspect of importance is whether the treatment is more effective (by that I mean a number of variables) than current treatments, i.e. Propecia, Minoxidil, FUE etc etc, otherwise it is as good as the laser comb in your garage gathering dust.

[RichardDawkins]

Ok you gotta be ****ing me right. The science was proven by Cole himself when he said without Acell Beard hairs 0% yield and with Acell 92% yield.

Dr Bernstein is a sceptical and realistic person, so if there would be no plausible science well i doubt he would actually put efford in this.

Also you should really stop to refer to an really old one time argument by one doc while others do experiments.

You know, if this wouldnt work or if there wouldnt be potential i highly doubt that anyone would ever use this.

But i stop here before it gets out of hand again. The discussion is not pointless your same old stories are, especially with your story, february registered and all you do is jumping on Acell etc. Odd at best.

Also you didnt mention the most important part

"These parts can either be from hairs derived from plucking or from follicles which have been purposely cut into sections. Generally, damaged follicular units will stop growing hairs. However, there is anecdotal evidence that an extracellular matrix applied to partial follicles may stimulate whole follicles to grow and, when applied to wounds, may stimulate the body’s cells to heal the damaged tissue. "

So your science will be born be "experimenting" and not by saying "Where is the science" and then close the book to let others do stuff :-)

[UK_]

Since there will be an objective scientific study concerning Acell, finally both of you can shut up and just wait for the results

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so happy to see this!!!!!!

[UK_]

But you still fail to see that we don't care. You fail to see this is a conversation between you and UK now, whereas previously it was a conversation on ACell.

Excellent I wish it stayed that way from the beginning because I was right then and im right now, only the study can shut me up, and I hope it does.

But id love to hear an interview from Dr Bernstein after the summer to see if they're seeing any results, in-fact we should open another thread dedicated to this topic.

[LarryDavid]

Since there will be an objective scientific study concerning Acell, finally both of you can shut up and just wait for the results

[Kiwi]

But that still fails to address the substance behind my post, nobody on here can prove to me that Dr Cole's statement was an inaccurate one, NOBODY, not you not him not me - NOBODY.

This is all I want to see!!!!

This does look promising, I am so pleased to finally see a controlled study into Acell!

But you still fail to see that we don't care. You fail to see this is a conversation between you and UK now, whereas previously it was a conversation on ACell.

I actually kind of agree with you about one thing, and that is I wish Dr Cole jumped in here 10 days ago and answered all the questions - that would have killed all this in its tracks.

And of course the controlled study gets a massive thumbs up from me!!