NORWOOD 6 members who have had HT surgery

[gillenator]

Individuals with outstanding hair characteristics like Bobman have far more potential to achieve the illusion of coverage.

And the higher degree of coarseness, the better potential in achieving the illusion of coverage. After all, it is the single most critical factor considered in achieving this illusion of coverage.

HT surgery was never intended to get anyone back to original or juvenile levels of density. HT surgery is without a doubt gaining an illusion of coverage and if individuals are happy with their own respective results regardless of density, then that's all that matters in the end.

[UK_]

God help us.

[topcat]

This is what I mean by turning the clock back a few years. This picture of Bruce Willis with a little bit of hair would be a very sensible approach for a NW6 maybe a little less maybe a little more and leave the crown bald. But going in thinking you are going to get this thick mop of hair would be very unrealistic. That is simply selling you something that in the majority of cases is just not possible.

The majority of guys that walk into a clinic are at a complete disadvantage. Just the fact that you have the balls to walk into one in person means you are desperate enough to want to do something. You have already lost and if the guy you are dealing with is not honest and ethical you are in very big trouble.

High thin hairline with a bald crown is a very reasonable expectation. It’s good solid advice.

[topcat]

The real problem is these guys that start too young and are destined to be a NW6. They too often get bad advice and the hairlines are still too low and dense.

Of course they are easy sells for many clinics. It’s like the young woman that walks into the doctor’s office with her A cups. She is so bothered about it that she is willing to take her top off in front a doctor in hopes of being helped. Her insecurities outweigh her embarrassment. She is a very easy sell. That insecurity that she feels that no man will want her because of her tiny breasts is very easy to take advantage of and hopefully the doctor does the right thing and does not use that insecurity to his advantage. Many of you young guys are the male equivalent to Betty and many concerned with climbing the financial ladder know it, they salivate when you walk in the door and yes I was that same guy at 23 wish I would have had someone to explain it to me.

In this case let’s name the patient Betty. Maybe Betty really wants to wow everyone and be the center of attention so she pleads to the doctor to set her up with the double D’s. Hopefully the doctor convinces Betty to go for a B cup and at the most maybe a C cup. But many doctors would be happy to oblige Betty’s wishes if it meant more money because really they don’t care about Betty and why would they as showing off the double D work is apt to bring in more business.


Certainly Betty will become the center of attention and every man will want to date Betty, she is on top of the world. The real problems for Betty come years later when not only do the double D’s not matter so much but they ain’t looking as good as they use to and the men are not paying Betty much attention with those double D’s sagging down to the waist line. So eventually just like the majority of women who have this procedure at some point in time Betty needs to go in for repair and have those once dazzling delights removed. She might opt for something that makes more sense or just say screw it as it really doesn’t matter anymore. Now Betty has gone back to A cups and what’s even worse is her whole body is deformed and scarred up for just a little glory that lasted only a few moments in time. Betty with the big boobs is no more.

Chances are if Betty would have gone to the right doctor and had the B cups she would still be going strong today and so it is with hair. If you are a young guy and your hairline is too low and dense from hair transplant surgery and that position is higher than most young guys think then you will end up like Betty trying to reverse the procedure and get back to normal. As having a low dense hairline with nothing behind it looks very odd. Yes you will still be attracting attention but not the kind you would probably welcome.

High thin hairline with just a little density behind it is the only sensible approach for a very high norwood.

[Artista]

Topcat,,great points of view..being REALISTIC in expectations would be everyone's major tool in treating hair loss

[topcat]

Well I think that Betty analogy can really help a lot of these young guys out. Maybe by seeing it in a different way they will better understand and see themselves. If most were honest they would say that Betty’s A cups really don’t matter as much as she thinks they do. They also can see how easy it would be to take advantage of Betty’s insecurity, just a friendly voice and a pat on the back telling her it can easily be remedied is all it takes.

But if it is really going to help Betty feel good about herself most people that cared about her would probably tell her yeah sure bump up a bit to the next cup size…………..that would be good advice. They certainly would not tell her to go for the gianormous DD’s.

[Artista]

Hey Jotronic..
Could you please post what the approximate donor hair averages have been for the basic NW6 patients
I would appreciate it Joe ~Thanks

[fred970]

I'm not far from the dreaded NW6 and Dr. Bisanga told me I had 65 hairs/cm² in the donor area. So slightly below average.

[Artista]

Fred, hopefully something good will be available , sooner than later bro !

[fred970]

I hope so Artista. I'll be going for my fist FUE in February despite my seemingly hopeless situation.

I think I'm in good hands with Dr. De Reys. There's not much left I can do besides a HT anyway. My main goal is to have somewhat of a frame to my face, even if it means only the first third of my scalp. As long as it looks natural.

I could live with something like that:



PS: he didn't have a HT, this is his natural hair.

I wish I could go slick but my morphology and skin tone make me look like I'm undergoing chemotherapy.

[topcat]

Fred that is a very realistic goal that makes sense.

[Artista]

Fred that's GREAT that your being REALISTIC as to knowing what a good HT could do for you. Decent coverage , relatively speaking, can be achieved through an EXPERIENCED IAHRS certified Doctor. I wish you luck bro,, I'm sure you will be happier

[FearTheLoss]

From FUE results I've seen today from top doctors, I believe someone with good hair characteristics and a decent beard can go from nw6-nw2 granted they have the finances backing them. Throw in some SMP in your donor, overharvest it a little and you could have a really good head of hair.


..and if consistent, legit donor regeneration comes into the picture...beard hair won't even be needed.

scarless surgery plus 50% regeneration or more would cure most nw6.

[Follicle Death Row]

As I've said before, hair restoration can make a difference for norwood 6s but the problem is that patient expectations and the reality of what's possible are often way out of line. Of course if we could all have Jotronic's, Bobman's, NicNitro's or LondonLad's results we'd go for it but I can't help but feel they are the exceptions rather than the rule. That being said if you have above average laxity, density and coarseness it may well be worth it. Pretty important to get a truthful assessment of these characteristics I feel.

[gillenator]

As I've said before, hair restoration can make a difference for norwood 6s but the problem is that patient expectations and the reality of what's possible are often way out of line. Of course if we could all have Jotronic's, Bobman's, NicNitro's or LondonLad's results we'd go for it but I can't help but feel they are the exceptions rather than the rule. That being said if you have above average laxity, density and coarseness it may well be worth it. Pretty important to get a truthful assessment of these characteristics I feel.

I agree totally with you FDR and also still waiting for more examples of a matured beard hair result, but I don't see updates (pics) from regrowth to evaluate.